Go Back   Aquarium Advice - Aquarium Forum Community > Saltwater and Reef > Saltwater & Reef - Getting Started
Click Here to Login

Join Aquarium Advice Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com
 
Old 04-04-2014, 06:08 PM   #1
Aquarium Advice Addict
Community Moderator
 
Autumnsky's Avatar



POTM Champion
Tank of the Month Award
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Northern Colorado, USA
Posts: 10,346
Shoe string start up and simple to try out the salty side...

This is a long post... Can anyone help a SW newbie???

I have been kinda collecting some stuff for a SW.

The tank is still up for debate as I am wanting to get rid of one or 2 FW tanks to thin out the collection.

Possibly getting a 70G tall cube 32" wide x 28" tall x 18" front to back. Just trying to decide if hubby would notice the 37G turning into a 70G...

Or could be a 16G bowfront or a 37G JEBO which I already own

***************

So far this is what I have

API standard test kit
Tank of some sort/size mentioned above.

About a half or so 5G bucket of reef rock very dried not recently used/seems fairly porous.
About 8 different coral skeletons very dry not recently used or dead

About 8" in a 5G bucket of crushed coral.

Some rocks, 2 large lace rocks which seem like conctete type toughness and one fluffy holey one with a circle in the middle and breaks apart very easily

AC110 Filter.

A half 4G bucket of several sizes of Bioballs

Also have a canister filter I have never used because it is missing a minor part and because the intake tube cover/screening thing falls off sometimes, would make me scared it would suck up a fish. It was used on a 40G planted and was said to be very adequate.

One Hydor Koralia powerhead.

Somewhere I have a UV filter thing but it may or may not work. It got left outside accidentally, and rained on a couple times. :/

Also have standard FW keeping stuff, like bulk filter material, etc.


For lights I have a 24" gold aluminum/metal Coralife fixture with a compact florescent pin type bulb, presently it has a FW bulb, but can buy the actinic or 50/50 type. 65W bulb

I have a 30" Aqueon light with 3 slots for LEDs presently 1 FW strip in there now. The Deep Blue Blue strip says it has about a 450nm color light. Not sure of the W or K rating. Aqueon Modular LED Aquarium Light Fixture, 30 inch.

Sooooooo..... I have tank, light, filter, stuff for inside like the rocks, can get some sand.

I like the Garnet sand which is a purple pink color, but is it bad to get a black sand or have the garnet sand color wise (have 1-2 inches worth already, could it be mixed with the crushed coral). I asked this question and got no firm response on using garnet sand and a possible "no" for dark sand, I know I could use pool filter, play or construction sand. As well as CaribSea sand from the store, or LS, but most people felt it wasn't worth the money???

I know I will need a way to measure the salinity, so refractometer or hydrometer?

Marine Salt

I have a 3 filter RO unit I used for a soda machine, I can find it in storage and hook it up sometime but initially I will probably use the machine at the grocery store when I can find out when they service and change the filters.

With this simple type set up, what kind of living things can go into it. I realize the size of the tank will dictate fish selection, so for the sake of getting something figured out lets just say it will be the 37G.

Will this work for a basic set up?

I wanted to get some good live rock, if the lighting would be able to sustain life.

For creatures, I was wanting some kind of Blenny, shrimp or couple varieties of shrimp, Hermit crabs (if they are alright), snail type critters and then just depending on tank size a few reasonably priced small fish after getting the tank cycled of course.

What kind of, softies or whatever the correct term for them will work in a tank like this. Also that aren't poisonous if they die or touch me or something else.

Sorry for the length But I need help and know some of you have time to share with a fellow AA fish nerd who wants to go try the salty side. Thank you in advance. I am trying not to really spend much money here, until I find there is just no going back or I just don't have the time or patience, lol!!! If I know I can do it and not go broke, and not have to get a 2nd job to finance it, then I will likely get a more intense set up.
__________________

__________________

New to FW fish? First tank in a long time or EVER??? Need some info on keeping fish?
Start here - Aquarium Advice Article https://www.aquariumadvice.com/guide...ater-aquarium/

Community Rules
https://www.aquariumadvice.com/forum...ork&page=rules

FW & SW
Favorite tank right now -12G PRL Shrimp
Autumnsky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2014, 11:46 PM   #2
Aquarium Advice Addict
Community Moderator
 
Autumnsky's Avatar



POTM Champion
Tank of the Month Award
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Northern Colorado, USA
Posts: 10,346
Well if I can't get this pinned down I just might have to listen to the lfs! Please don't let me be at their mercy.
__________________

__________________

New to FW fish? First tank in a long time or EVER??? Need some info on keeping fish?
Start here - Aquarium Advice Article https://www.aquariumadvice.com/guide...ater-aquarium/

Community Rules
https://www.aquariumadvice.com/forum...ork&page=rules

FW & SW
Favorite tank right now -12G PRL Shrimp
Autumnsky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2014, 12:11 AM   #3
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
BigRedsReefs10's Avatar

POTM Champion
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 4,675
Shoe string start up and simple to try out the salty side...

Ok wow here I'll try and cover that. For filtration you'll want a skimmer for the larger 2 tanks (maybe get away with not having one on the 37) the 16 you can manage with wc's. You'll want a di cartridge in addition to your ro unit. A refractometer not hydrometer. For substrate I would ditch the crushed coral and use aggranaite reef sand (pretty sure I spelled that wrong), the black sand is fine but it's magnetic so if you use a magnetic glass cleaner to close you'll scratch the tank, not sure on the other sand you mentioned. People can give you lighting options if you give us a budget and tank dimensions. Your lighting will determine what corals and other photosynthetic creatures you can keep but in general softies are the easiest and least light demanding corals, but you can also look into corals euphillia family as they are very hardy and add some nice movement. Fish and invert selection is really up to you, check liveaquaria.com for pictures and general care/tank size of the livestock your interested in and come back here and people can help you determine wether it would work well in your system or not. And also be very wary if any advice a lfs gives you, there trying to make a sale and most will tell you what ever they have to to get one. There are lots of experienced members on here more than willing to answer your questions and not trying to make money off you, just maybe make them 1-2 at a time and make it easier on us . Hope this helps
Edit: knew I forgot something, get a reef grade salt if you want corals, it will have all the elements the corals need, don't let your lfs talk you into additives for these elements. They are not needed in most systems and do more harm than good
__________________
BigRedsReefs10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2014, 01:56 AM   #4
Aquarium Advice Addict
Community Moderator
 
Autumnsky's Avatar



POTM Champion
Tank of the Month Award
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Northern Colorado, USA
Posts: 10,346
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedsReefs10 View Post
Ok wow here I'll try and cover that. For filtration you'll want a skimmer for the larger 2 tanks (maybe get away with not having one on the 37) the 16 you can manage with wc's. You'll want a di cartridge in addition to your ro unit. A refractometer not hydrometer. For substrate I would ditch the crushed coral and use aggranaite reef sand (pretty sure I spelled that wrong), the black sand is fine but it's magnetic so if you use a magnetic glass cleaner to close you'll scratch the tank, not sure on the other sand you mentioned. People can give you lighting options if you give us a budget and tank dimensions. Your lighting will determine what corals and other photosynthetic creatures you can keep but in general softies are the easiest and least light demanding corals, but you can also look into corals euphillia family as they are very hardy and add some nice movement. Fish and invert selection is really up to you, check liveaquaria.com for pictures and general care/tank size of the livestock your interested in and come back here and people can help you determine wether it would work well in your system or not. And also be very wary if any advice a lfs gives you, there trying to make a sale and most will tell you what ever they have to to get one. There are lots of experienced members on here more than willing to answer your questions and not trying to make money off you, just maybe make them 1-2 at a time and make it easier on us . Hope this helps
Edit: knew I forgot something, get a reef grade salt if you want corals, it will have all the elements the corals need, don't let your lfs talk you into additives for these elements. They are not needed in most systems and do more harm than good
Thank you BigRed. Sorry I am trying to get my head around the SW thing and several people have said how it is as easy as FW, but a little different of course. So trying to see if there is enough for the basics with what I have. Planning to make an order for things I can't get reasonably at the lfs. In about a week and a half or two I want to start cycling a tank. Something came up and I probably can't get the 70G unless it is still available in a week or 2.

Likely starting with the 37G which is really 35G JEBO actually as the built in filter holds 2 gallons (originally received tank as "37G" til I talked to the JEBO guy and he explained it to me about the filter holding the other 2 gallons).

If I keep the tank lightly stocked for a little bit can I keep looking for a deal on a skimmer?
__________________

New to FW fish? First tank in a long time or EVER??? Need some info on keeping fish?
Start here - Aquarium Advice Article https://www.aquariumadvice.com/guide...ater-aquarium/

Community Rules
https://www.aquariumadvice.com/forum...ork&page=rules

FW & SW
Favorite tank right now -12G PRL Shrimp
Autumnsky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2014, 02:49 AM   #5
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
BigRedsReefs10's Avatar

POTM Champion
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 4,675
That's a good size to start with. And yeah if you keep a good weekly wc schedule you should be fine without a skimmer
__________________
BigRedsReefs10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2014, 04:56 AM   #6
Aquarium Advice Addict
Community Moderator
 
Autumnsky's Avatar



POTM Champion
Tank of the Month Award
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Northern Colorado, USA
Posts: 10,346
Starter Fish

So after looking through options for peaceful fish, there doesn't seem to be too many to pick from.

Clown fish (maybe)
PJ Cardinal 1-3 depending on further info on tank size needs for more than 1
Neon Goby
Royal Gramma

Mandarin Goby, & lots of different shrimp depending on their diet (after the tank is up awhile.)

Probably very slow to add fish due to budget and size of tank.

OMG I just saw the Sweet Lips Harlequin which was so cute in the lfs, gets to be 2.5 FEET long, and Engineer Goby (said not truely a goby) 1 foot. Research does really help.
__________________

New to FW fish? First tank in a long time or EVER??? Need some info on keeping fish?
Start here - Aquarium Advice Article https://www.aquariumadvice.com/guide...ater-aquarium/

Community Rules
https://www.aquariumadvice.com/forum...ork&page=rules

FW & SW
Favorite tank right now -12G PRL Shrimp
Autumnsky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2014, 12:30 PM   #7
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
BigRedsReefs10's Avatar

POTM Champion
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 4,675
There are lots more options than that, you have blennies, gobies, some wrasses would do great. Unfortunately the mandarin is a terrible choice for a 37g tank. They need around 100 lbs of LR to support them as thy are not like other fish in that they don't have a stomach so they must hunt all day. They are my favorite fish, but they are routinely sold to people whose system chant sustain them and they slowly starve to death, this and because I only run nanos means I've never owned my fish
__________________
BigRedsReefs10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2014, 02:37 PM   #8
Aquarium Advice Addict
Community Moderator
 
Autumnsky's Avatar



POTM Champion
Tank of the Month Award
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Northern Colorado, USA
Posts: 10,346
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedsReefs10 View Post
There are lots more options than that, you have blennies, gobies, some wrasses would do great. Unfortunately the mandarin is a terrible choice for a 37g tank. They need around 100 lbs of LR to support them as thy are not like other fish in that they don't have a stomach so they must hunt all day. They are my favorite fish, but they are routinely sold to people whose system chant sustain them and they slowly starve to death, this and because I only run nanos means I've never owned my fish
Thank goodness you told me about the Mandarin, I would hate to kill it.

Fish needs are most important. In FW I have always wanted to have a tank of Discus, and because in order to thrive they have several special requirements, I could not always be sure would be able to happen for them, so atm, I still don't have them. Same with Seahorses.

Ok on another aspect of SW, the stinging corals and palys which put out toxins. What about that, I understand gloves, but are there many other options for non toxic and non stinging?
__________________

New to FW fish? First tank in a long time or EVER??? Need some info on keeping fish?
Start here - Aquarium Advice Article https://www.aquariumadvice.com/guide...ater-aquarium/

Community Rules
https://www.aquariumadvice.com/forum...ork&page=rules

FW & SW
Favorite tank right now -12G PRL Shrimp
Autumnsky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2014, 03:07 PM   #9
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
BigRedsReefs10's Avatar

POTM Champion
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 4,675
The corals won't sting you, just other corals but as long as you give them some room or use your flow to control the direction of their tentacles it's not really too much if a problem. It's true many zoas and palys are poisonous but it's really only a problem when your fragging them, if you use gloves when working in your tank you have nothing to worry about IMO.
__________________
BigRedsReefs10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2014, 03:20 PM   #10
Aquarium Advice Addict
Community Moderator
 
Autumnsky's Avatar



POTM Champion
Tank of the Month Award
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Northern Colorado, USA
Posts: 10,346
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedsReefs10 View Post
The corals won't sting you, just other corals but as long as you give them some room or use your flow to control the direction of their tentacles it's not really too much if a problem. It's true many zoas and palys are poisonous but it's really only a problem when your fragging them, if you use gloves when working in your tank you have nothing to worry about IMO.
So when you cut up them up how do you keep them from making you or the stuff in your tank affected by the toxins? (not that I will likely need to worry about that for a very long time) If you buy a frag how long does it need to heal up before it is alright to have/put in the tank, or how does that work???

I am still a little concerned about have a poison thing in the tank, lol Does this also mean only wear gloves with live rock too?

Thank you for your help RED. I have been reading all kinds of things for beginners but not everything is addressed.

Are there any which don't sting or aren't toxic for a low to medium light tank.

What about macro Algae, do they all need high light to do well?
__________________

__________________

New to FW fish? First tank in a long time or EVER??? Need some info on keeping fish?
Start here - Aquarium Advice Article https://www.aquariumadvice.com/guide...ater-aquarium/

Community Rules
https://www.aquariumadvice.com/forum...ork&page=rules

FW & SW
Favorite tank right now -12G PRL Shrimp
Autumnsky is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
salt, star, start

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
getting a taste of the salty side :) dragonfisher33 Saltwater & Reef - Getting Started 26 07-07-2013 11:03 AM
First time on the salty side and in need of some info Garystrain Saltwater Fish Only & FOWLR 12 01-27-2012 09:52 PM
Simple question,simple answer! Convict2161 Freshwater & Brackish - General Discussion 5 01-01-2012 01:17 AM
Switching to the salty side! PaulieFish Saltwater & Reef - Getting Started 13 04-27-2010 09:15 PM
Getting tired of the salty side - all my stuff is sold malkore Midwest & the Dakotas 3 05-25-2006 10:33 AM







» Photo Contest Winners








Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:05 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.