Go Back   Aquarium Advice - Aquarium Forum Community > Saltwater and Reef > Saltwater & Reef - Getting Started
Click Here to Login

Join Aquarium Advice Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com
 
Old 12-27-2005, 04:47 AM   #1
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Warrensburg, IL
Posts: 568
Send a message via AIM to TheChad
Starting a 29g tank, Few questions about setup & fish..

Hey All,


I Have set up a 29g tank about a week ago. I have already stabilized the tempature at 78degrees, and the SG is at 1.023.

I have added 2 Damsel's to cycle the tank, 1 Blue Damsel, and 1 Yellow tail Damsel.

Currently we have a 150 watt heater, an UGF, a 23" bubble wall, and a 70Gal Pump.

The LFS said the UGF was better than the Bio Wheel type filter, but several here have suggested that was not true, and the Bio Wheel would be better. In any case, I have now purchased a Bio Wheel to use in this tank with the UGF, You can't have too much filtration right?

In a previous post I had given a list of fish we had hoped to have in this tank, but was advised with this tank, we should only have 2 3" fish. Will having the Bio Wheel filter along with the UGF allow for more bio load?

We would like to keep the 2 Damsel's we currently have, and we'd like to add 2 clowns, a fire shrimp, and a choclate chip star fish.

Also, Should I still get a Power Head now that I have a Bio Wheel? Or would a Power Head on the UGF work better than adding the Bio Wheel? I havent yet opened the Bio Wheel, So I am open to some input/suggestion on this....


I also bought a Water test kit, so I wouldn't have to take my water to the LFS all the time. How often should I be testing the water and what changes am I looking for to know when It is save to add our clowns?

Thanks,

-TheChad

P.S. I also wanted to ask if I should be doing Water Changes every week before the tank has cycled or not?
__________________

__________________
TheChad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2005, 08:56 AM   #2
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: nekoosa,wisconsin
Posts: 607
Send a message via MSN to flamingonhot Send a message via Yahoo to flamingonhot
Okay..

The undergravel filter is not good to have in a sw tank. They trap detritus and raise ammonia levels etc. THey are only really useful in a fw tank, even than they are still somewhat junk.

Biowheels are also not for sw tanks. They are nitrite and nitrate factories, that meaning " bad algae makers" lol.

All you really need for this set-up is a simple HOB power filter, possibly a small powerhead but it really is not needed.

You should start changing water after the cycle has finished. After that every two to 4 weeks should suffice depending on your bioload.

I would get rid of the damsels and get the two clowns, shrimp, the star if you don't want some types of inverts, and possibly one or two small fish.

When cycling I would test the water every couple of days. After it's cycled once every week or even as long as every 3 weeks should be okay. I test mine like every once a month or every 2 months, thats just me though..my tanks parameters never change but you may want to do it more often when you first start.
__________________

__________________
I'm tired of getting pointless messages. If your going to start a conversation or ask me something, keep up with it.
flamingonhot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2005, 04:03 PM   #3
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Warrensburg, IL
Posts: 568
Send a message via AIM to TheChad
Quote:
Originally Posted by flamingonhot
Okay..

The undergravel filter is not good to have in a sw tank. They trap detritus and raise ammonia levels etc. THey are only really useful in a fw tank, even than they are still somewhat junk.

Biowheels are also not for sw tanks. They are nitrite and nitrate factories, that meaning " bad algae makers" lol.

All you really need for this set-up is a simple HOB power filter, possibly a small powerhead but it really is not needed.

You should start changing water after the cycle has finished. After that every two to 4 weeks should suffice depending on your bioload.

I would get rid of the damsels and get the two clowns, shrimp, the star if you don't want some types of inverts, and possibly one or two small fish.

When cycling I would test the water every couple of days. After it's cycled once every week or even as long as every 3 weeks should be okay. I test mine like every once a month or every 2 months, thats just me though..my tanks parameters never change but you may want to do it more often when you first start.
Isn't the Bio Wheel a HOB filter? A power head is only for the UGF isn't it? Also why should i get rid of the damsels?

I'm kind of confused, because you said I should get rid of the UGF, but than you said "Possibly a Power Head" which as far as I understand, only goes with the UGF!


Thanks,

-TheChad
__________________
TheChad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2005, 10:13 PM   #4
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
lando's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Savage, MN
Posts: 7,889
Quote:
The undergravel filter is not good to have in a sw tank. They trap detritus and raise ammonia levels etc. THey are only really useful in a fw tank, even than they are still somewhat junk.
I have to agree wtih this statement. Ditch the UGF, its old technology.
Quote:
Biowheels are also not for sw tanks. They are nitrite and nitrate factories
This is not entirely true. They do a very nice job of removing NO2. They can cause increased NO3 over time if there is not enough other biological filtration and you slack on the water changes.

I would bring the damsels back to the LFS and do a fishless cycle. Damsels are very aggressive fish and will likely become extrememly territorial when anything else is added to the tank.

You can certainly run a powerhead without an UGF. Most on this site do. They are great at providing circulation and preventing dead spots.
__________________
Some people are like slinkies...they serve no real purpose yet can still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs!:p
Have a great day! Brian
lando is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2005, 02:44 AM   #5
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Warrensburg, IL
Posts: 568
Send a message via AIM to TheChad
The powerhead's I've seen, mount to the UGF tubes. So I guess I don't know what your talking about....

Our 2 damsels get along very well, and actually share the same "Home" They both are often together around the tank.

What I don't understand is why the information available here, and at the LFS's is sooo different. Not just 1 LFS, but several, all give the same information. The LSF that i bought my stuff from have UGF in all their tanks, and have had several tanks up and running for 20+ years according to the owner.

I apperciate all the information. It's soo hard to make a choice as to what to do.

-TheChad
__________________
90 Gallon Drilled Glass Tank w/ Corner Overflow: 492w (2x 150w 14,000K MH, 2x 96w Actinic CF) Coralife Aqualight Pro | Custom 34x15x15 Sump/Refugium | SWC Skimmer | Coralife Turbo-Twist 6x UV Sterilizer | Maxi-Jet Power Head w/Sure Flow Upgrade Kit | 120lbs of Live Rock | 100lbs of Live Sand
TheChad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2005, 08:26 AM   #6
Aquarium Advice Regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Charlotte, N.C.
Posts: 67
believe me, you'll get more info, and better at that, than any lfs. Here, people are concerned with your tanks/inhabs, and there(lfs) are mainly out for your $$$. That's not always 100% true, but almost.
Ditch the UGF
go with a HOB powerfilter,no bio-wheel
powerheads come with tank mounting equipment, so you can place them anywhere in the tank you want. They come in all sizes and flow rates.
The best thing to do at this point is read and read some more and ask questions. First hand experiences are more informative and go farther in what can be learned.
Good luck
__________________
chineseknife is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2005, 12:27 PM   #7
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
lando's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Savage, MN
Posts: 7,889
Quote:
Our 2 damsels get along very well, and actually share the same "Home" They both are often together around the tank.
The issue is not between the two damsels, rather between the two damsels and any other fish you put in the tank.
__________________
Some people are like slinkies...they serve no real purpose yet can still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs!:p
Have a great day! Brian
lando is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2005, 02:22 PM   #8
Aquarium Advice Regular
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Dayton VA
Posts: 97
Well said guys. The UGF filter is "bad". I had a 29 after trying to go the cheaper route(UGF and HO filters) finally invested in a refugium. Night and day results. No one ever said setting up a SW tank was cheap. But if you read these forums and ask question. You will probably have less headaches and a healthier tank. Best of luck to you.
M
__________________
mhedrick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2005, 03:03 PM   #9
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: kenosha wisconsin
Posts: 653
i very strongly support cycling your tank with a few small pieces of raw shrimp instead of live fish. cycling with live fish is an old idea. it is basically like trying to live in your garage with the car running for 4-6 weeks. very hard to to breath and sick all the time

a small power filter like a penguin or aquaclear would work well for you. you can also go with live sand and live rock. a good option would be to put about 40lbs of sand ( NOT CRUSHED CORAL OR GRAVEL) in your tank and a few large pieces of dry base rock. run the power filter to help out but eventually the rock and sand will house the good bacteria you need to keep your tank healthy. that is what the power filter does. it is a place for good bacteria to grow and water to be pulled over it.

optimally to run a tank without a filter you need about 1-2 lbs of live rock and 1-2 lbs of live sand. your sand and rock will become "live" over time as things grow on it.

also, like already said, power heads have several functions and several configurations. in saltwater they are used to move water around and produce current to eliminate dead spots

before i found this forum i read every word on this site http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/a_3...erms=saltwater

it is very useful and i find it to be very accurate
good luck

steve r
__________________
75g RR. 2x250 14k MH / 2x54 T5 act. 29g sump. ASM G1X skimmer. phosban reactor. 80lbs LS, 90lbs LR, 2x seio M620.
kole tang, bicolor angel, mandarin dragonette, ocellaris clown / BTA , cleaner shrimp, 2x peppermint shrimp, a variety of soft, SPS, and LPS corals, orange linckia star.
steve r is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2005, 05:18 PM   #10
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Warrensburg, IL
Posts: 568
Send a message via AIM to TheChad
I tested my water today, the test results showed: 8.0 High Range pH, 0.25ppm Ammonia, 0ppm Nitrite, and 0ppm Nitrate.

My tank has been established for about 1.5 weeks, and has had 2 damsels since day 2.

The water test kit recommends a product called "Stress Zyme" made by Aquarium Pharmaceuticals (The maker of the test kit) to cycle the tank quicker.

Is that product safe for the Damsels? Or is there a way to cycle the tank quicker with out getting rid of the damsels??

I know a lot of people don't like Damsels, and they are a "Junk" fish, but my wife and I like them. The only way we would get rid of them, is if they do fight with our clowns, but we will deal with that if the time comes.

We have dolomite (Spelling?) as our rocks at the bottom. What type of HOB filter are you guys suggesting?

The UGF is already in place, and I am pretty sure removing it would cause serious issues with disturbing the tank... So unless it posses to be a problem I will probably just leave it, and add an additional filter since everyone here is saying the UGF isn't very good. At the lease the bubbles from the UGF will help add oxygen to the water.

Thanks,

-TheChad
__________________

__________________
TheChad is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
29 gallon, setup, starting, tan

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
For Sale: 29g SW setup..Tank/Light/Heater/Skimmer/PH's/LR Marc118 Archive 2 06-08-2006 04:37 PM
Marine Questions. on starting a small setup. with no LR Stuquarium Saltwater & Reef - Getting Started 22 03-01-2005 03:56 AM
First fish tank setup questions! trentm General Hardware/Equipment Discussion 7 06-04-2004 05:13 PM
Starting new 55G reef tank. Setup questions? marcos77 Saltwater & Reef - Getting Started 5 05-18-2004 12:40 AM
starting a new, larger tank - 29g freshwater tricolorgirl Freshwater & Brackish - General Discussion 6 10-10-2003 05:26 PM







» Photo Contest Winners








Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:35 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.