thanks 200G!. anyways my wife will probably murder me... went to dr f&s to order a eheim 1260 pump, ended up with a ticket for $500... purchased an azoo 300W heater, the pump, 4 powerheads (2 for a friend) Koralia 1400 and 1050 for myself, and also a refractometer,(sp). plus overnight shipping... wow is all i can say, stuff adds up fast! i feel for you big tank guys i already have over 1000 invested in a bloody 55G!! cant imagine the startup cost of 180+ gallons, probably like 3-4k. crazy. thanks for all the help guys!