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Old 09-16-2004, 10:50 AM   #11
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I don't think I have under estimated the cost, this is the only thing thats kept me from doing it for so long.. I didn't think I had room for a large tank but now that I hardly have any furnature in my livingroom, I figure its best to finally get my feet wet! I guess I am tired of having tank-envy at my local dentist!

Your tank is breath-taking lando! I was planning on letting the rocks set up before even venturing into fish, which from what I have read, will let me adjust to getting the water settings just right, and then add one fish at a time.. I was worried mostly about the tang as I read that someone suggested that a 60gal was too small but couldn't find anything about what the right size tank was.. I am glad the tank I have found is decently priced! I might have to go get it today! even if it will sit empty until my next paycheck! I am only looking to fill up with maybe 5-8 fish, I don't want to over crowd and I have a feeling I will be spending a LOT of time on the live rock...

What is the benifits of live sand?

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Old 09-16-2004, 12:57 PM   #12
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Live sand has many of the benifits of LR. It harbors beneficial bacteria used for biological filtration. It is a better substrate then crushed coral because it requires less attention. CC tends to trap waste products and cause an increase in nitrates. once you have substrate, water and LR in your tank you should plan on four weeks for your tank to cycle completely before you start to add livestock. Put together a list of of the items you will need to get started and go from there...Lando
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Old 09-16-2004, 01:08 PM   #13
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don't let us discourage you...just be prepared for the cost.

... and the enjoyment! Welcome and good luck!!!

I'll second the Fenner book. A good bit is devoted to the research to do in order to develop your wish list for inhabitants and equipment needs.

Yo Lando! I got a tank like yours - - well.. I mean it's shaped like yours anyway.
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do I have to QT the LR and LS or just the fish? I am assuming just the fish?

I'm buying the fenner book and plan to buy the second in his set at Amazon once I am finished with the first.. I am so excited to begin! I'm going to follow the suggestions in the book and wait to buy anything until I have a solid foundation..

lando, should I start with base rock, or what kinds of live rock should I look into first to get a growth like yours?

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Old 09-16-2004, 06:37 PM   #16
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Yes, you only need to QT the fish. LR is the best way to go. However, you can go like 50/50 base rock to LR. Eventually, your LR will seed the base rock it just takes a while. As for the "growth" on the rocks, most are just corals I have purchsed one at a time. Some will begin to grow and spread over the rocks with time. When you buy a corals like a polyp or mushroom colony they will ussually come with several animals attatched to a piece of rock.
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Also, the neat thing about this hobby is that like someone mentioned before- you can get things as you can afford them. For example new items every three months or so. This is actually quite fun, because it's neat to get the LR in the tank for example, and then since your broke, you are forced to enjoy the LR only- but it's really cool to see things grow on the LR and find critters in with the LR. Once you get more $$, you can add a crustacean or a fish and enjoy that for months...then you can increase your lighting and move on to corals or other things as you get more advanced. I'm a year into this hobby and I'm still not at the point where I feel comfortable going "all-out reef" yet.

But I sure am having fun along the way
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Hey Nina,

Do you have experence with freshwater fish yet???

I always suggest that route first with my friends and people who ask me about fish. ( I am quite well known among friends and co-workers for my love of fish, Freshwater and now, saltwater.)

Many people just don't catch the aquarium bug. They are excited for a month or two, but then after all their fish start dying from beginners mistakes, they give up and let the tank go. finally the last fish dies or is given away and they are stuck with an empty tank full of dirty gravel in their garage. I went through two tanks (freshwater) before I got one that worked right. But when I did, man was it worth it!

Before you go investing thousands of dollars in a costly setup. Its nice to learn the basics with freshwater fish. We all make beginners mistakes, and Freshwater is the best place to learn. A fantastic Freshwater tank can be setup for under 200 dollars.

Please don't take offense to anything I said, and If you do have Freshwater experence, disregarde EVERYTHING I said. Just trying to help!

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Starfish & Lights?

I have some experience with FW tanks, I raised a few Mollys and this really large orange fish that looked like a cross between a Molly and a Gold Fish.. and I had a few beta's, guppies, and hatchets, but I had live in help at that time, if things went wrong, someone else always knew what to do, now that person is gone, so I am roughing it on my own

My little critter is still alive so that must say something, eh? I bought the book yesterday and have read some about it and am starting to put together a wishlist.. so now I have another couple of questions..

When you run your lights, are they supposed to run 24-7? or do we cycle them to our schedules? & How do they effect your electric bills? Large price gouges or just a slight increase? & starfish, I'd like a mild one and was thinking perhaps an 'elegant' down the line? but I plan to add some soft corals, will they get eaten? I've read a lot of people have had trouble with the chocolate chip stars, I plan to avoid them.. just the elegant (purple-ish red w/ white dots) or the solid blue (name escapes me at the moment).. I've read they are the gentlest of the breeds? Or maybe just avoid a star altogether? any opinions?

Thanks so much! I'm looking forward to getting my feet wet!
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Lighting schedules depend on the type and amount of light entering the tank. 10 to 12 hours a day are the norm. ( I have mine set for 10 hour days for now.)

I'll let someone with more experence with lighting answer that one, but you do need to use a timer to keep your days and nights regular. Many Noctournal animals in you live rock need the night to come out and do their thing. and YOur fish need some sleepy time.

Power consumption depends on a number of things, of course, the more equipment you add the higher the bill goes. Lighting equipment, a couple of powerheads, filtration, skimmers, heaters, UV sterilizers, all running 24/7 will do some serious drainage to your power bill. Dont forget weekly and monthly water changes which include Fresh R/O water and salt. and regular bulb changes for your lighting, and regularly adding minerals, And ofcourse, fish food is more expenseive for salt water fish. It all adds up to a significant amount of upkeep.

Soft corals are generally not recomended until the system has had time to properly age. Most people will recomend waiting tilll the system is a year old.

But, I still say that you may need a bit more experence with Freshwater fishkeeping. perhaps get that fish in your tank some tankmates, and maybe some live plants??? just a suggestion.

Keep researching, and asking questions! I researched SW systems for over a year before I dived into the hobby. But that was still a fun year!!!

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