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Old 12-09-2010, 08:21 PM   #11
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Old 12-13-2010, 09:42 AM   #13
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Look what I picked up for 34 USD Shipped!

Power Compact 96 Watt 4-Tube (Quad) 50/50 BRAND NEW on eBay.ca (item 360323252628 end time 27-Dec-10 09:47:02 EST)
(a 50/50 bulb that Big als wanted 95 dollars for)
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:33 PM   #15
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Alright- So here's what I'm thinking... MTS time...

The fish I have now will fit into a 20 gallon - I'll pick one up cheap and use my old AquaClear 70 (set to low) and a 100 watt HOB heater I have. I'll move the guys over, and tear down my "big" 44 gallon tank. When I set it up at the new place, I'll just leave it empty for a few weeks until all the furniture placement is finalized. at that point, I'll begin aquiring the funds and parts for the saltwater setup.

I made the stand myself 3 years ago out of 2X4's and a piece of plywood - There's no room for a sump, so i'm going to have to go sumpless FOWLR. Is this common?

I will have the fluval 304, and a HOB protien skimmer. (probably that octopos one) I also have a Fluval powerhead I can put in there.

I'm hoping to keep maintenance down to a maximum of once a week. Sound feasible?

My question is... If I were to START a saltwater tank, which would be the best way to do it?

It'll be a work in progress for a year, but I don't want to put anything living in there until it can sustain it.

For example, Can I use the 50/50 bulb, dead substrate (from a bag), the fluval 304, Saltwater, and some frags/live rock to start?

I guess what I'm looking for is my "order of purchasing" list in terms of priority.

For exmaple, (knowing that I have a tank, a fulval 304, 50/50 bulb, Heater, and am going sumpless)

50/50 light, Substrate, Salt, hydrometer, Live Rock, Protien skimmer, Fish, Frags?

Forgive me if these are super noob questions - Always been a F/W person and this is my first foray into the light/dark side.
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Old 12-16-2010, 09:27 PM   #16
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OK... well I went to two LFS... they both said "Don't go sumpless. You will regret it and kill a lot of fish" (in a nutshell)

They told me to buy a sump, 250 dollar skimmer, 100 dollar refractometer, new halide? lights and ditch the hood. I asked Big Al's about LED lights, they said they aren't good for growing corals, as they are too expensive and they don't carry them.

Bottom line... Should I just sell my current setup and start basic? a 24 gallon nano cube with its one built in Fuge in the back? Isn't that sumpless? how come they sell those?

The LFS's totally scared me off doing this - I thought I was prepared, but by the time I was done there they had priced me out with nearly 900 bucks worth of stuff that was all "critical" To their annoyance, I walked out, as... Well, I don't have 900 bucks!
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Hey sudz......any of offers that u get from your LFS, i would buy that refractometer...its more accurate than swing arm hydrometer....other than that, its up to...
for FOWLR tank, i had fren did that without sump...but with 2 canister running....and he also had some corals...good growth...the matter is, u need to maintain that canister...that will also incur in cost for monthly....
about LED lights, IMO depends on what type of LED....if the cheap with 50k hours livespan,i think its not good because of other factors such lumens, etc...better go for t5HO which use less electricity than halide...im not good in lighting...then lets the expert talk for u...

just my 2cents...oh, dont forget to get test kits....
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100 for a refractometer seems really high. My LFS sells them for 50 and I think you can even do better than that on ebay (think I've seen some for 30 or so). What size tank? If it is the 20 gallon you mentioned above then I don't know if a skimmer is needed...
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NEW! Salinity Refractometer 4 Aquarium Ocean Hydrometer - eBay (item 370467133416 end time Dec-23-10 01:47:22 PST)

$20 + $7.50 shipping. This is the seller I bought mine from and I'm happy with it. They also sell versions with lighting built in and other versions up to $260
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