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Old 07-19-2009, 05:34 PM   #11
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I would be concerned with using the word 'cycles' to represent the maturation of a tank through the various stages of algae in a tank. It can do nothing but confuse those that refer to these threads for information on starting a tank and the nitrogen cycle (commonly referred to as 'cycling or 'the cycle'). The fact that my 3 year old tank gets a hair algae spike should not be referred to as a 'cycle' as some may infer incorrectly ..

I agree competely. I am pretty new to the hobby and did not add anything else to my tank until the (first and hopefully the last) diatom bloom was over. the NOx cycle is still the cycle.
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Old 07-19-2009, 05:59 PM   #12
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Appreciate the opinions everyone.

Sounds like there are certainly two phases ... the initial 'nitrogen cycle' and then the ongoing 'aging stages' of the aquarium.

The cycle is a period of no life in the tank (except what is on the live rock), but during the aging process fish and invertebrates can be introduced over time. One of the books I am reading references certain fish types and even calls out 'will not do well in un-established aquariums'.
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Old 07-20-2009, 11:44 AM   #13
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but during the aging process fish and invertebrates can be introduced over time. One of the books I am reading references certain fish types and even calls out 'will not do well in un-established aquariums'.
"aging process" I like that term. Very accruate. The reason Most of the fish that "do not do well in un-established aquariums" fail is because there food source is not yet present or well established (i.e. a mandrin goby will be difficult to feed without a large number of copepods in the tank.)
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Mdaniel, excellent posts! I agree, "grazers" are a perfect example of fish that should not be put in newer tanks, since their natural food source is generally not in abundance, much like starting with a huge clean up crew....
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much like starting with a huge clean up crew....
Speaking of a clean up crew ... if I start with 4 small crabs, 4 turbo snails and 4 shrimp does that sound good for a newly cycled 37-gallon FOWLER? First fish are a pair of clowns.
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I think I saw a post that you put in the turbos already right?
Personally, I have never used turbos (they just weren't avail where I am). I like nassarius, cerith and margaritas.
What types of crabs and shrimp?
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I think I saw a post that you put in the turbos already right?
Personally, I have never used turbos (they just weren't avail where I am). I like nassarius, cerith and margaritas.
What types of crabs and shrimp?
Yea - I put four turbo snails in a few days ago at the recommendation of my LFS ... for the crabs, I'm not sure - I don't know much about them just yet but my LFS has a bunch of small (nickel size) to choose from. For shrimp I want a few Peppermint to try and control the Aptasia and a few of the cleaner shrimp that are red and white stripped.
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IME, the pepps are hit or miss with aiptasia, some will eat it and others won't.
Crabs can get a little nasty depending on what they are. I tend to stay away from hermits (only my personal preference), the cleaners are pretty cool too. A fire shrimp and a cleaner would be a good addition...both are considered cleaner shrimp but the fires are much more brilliant in coloration.
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I've heard that about the Peppermint Shrimp - but I'll try them first before using other measures to control the Aptasia.

So you think I would be safe going 4-4-4 on the quantity of snails, crabs, and shrimp to start off with as my clean up crew?

Don't wanna starve the little fellas in my new aquarium ...
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By red and white stripes do you mean "Coral Banded Shrimp"? They are know to eat small fish so if you plan on that type of fish keep an eye on the shrimp and keep it fed. I would add more snails and less crabs.
Here is a picture of my tank...3 months on...
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