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View Poll Results: There is so much "Hoopla" on Deep Sand Beds. In your opinion, a DSB is:
The best option we have for substrate right now. 29 55.77%
It's just a "fad" that will fade soon. It's really overrated. 7 13.46%
It's the "In" thing to do! Everyone else says it's great, so it must be... 4 7.69%
Who cares? 3 5.77%
Your CC will be just fine. 9 17.31%
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Old 11-07-2004, 05:58 PM   #31
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As an opinion: The DSB is not a fad at all, but it is indeed a matter of preference and maintenence. Without quoting, someone asked about the ability to keep different form of life or greater ability with the DSB. I connot speak of that but I can speak of the opposite. Take elegance and gonipora species for example. They used to be "staple" easy to care for corals. Now they have become some of the more difficult species to keep. There is subjective evidence that these are "dirty water" corals and IMO have become harder to keep because of the advances in water husbandry and our systems are cleaner today then they were in years past.

Sumphead was just saying that DSB isnt really as natural as NSW because it keeps water quality too high. CC is fine, but it will trap poop and food which will cause more nitrates, but a inch high sand bed isnt only for fowl
A DSB will reduce nitrates, this is proven. A DSB is a nutrient sink, but can be maintained with fauna as FF points out above. Yes there are other methods and sure they work. We as hobbiest simply have more options for sucess in the hobby.
So basically what you are saying, is that DSB isnt really imitating NSW because NSW is "Dirty" and has nitrate, which some corals are used to and when they are put in a very clean environment, they wont like it.
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i think that both work fine. for those who feel more comfortable dealing with the natural, then a DSB is probably for you, and if your into the mechanical part of reefing, then BB is probably for you. also its a matter of asthetics, and what you plan to keep in the tank.

for difficult corals like SPS, i would probably go BB to reduce the amount of nusicance algae, phosphates, and nitrates that can sometimes pop up with DSBs, and also because they like extremely high flow and i dont want my sand being blown all over the tank.

then there is people that swear by using an inch of sand or CC, i personally think thats best for fish only tanks or tanks with a few soft corals.

i really think its up to you and that you make it work or not.

JMHO
Sumphead was just saying that DSB isnt really natural, because NSW is more of a dirtier water than an environment with DSB which would be too good water quality for some corals, that prefer a close to NSW environment. I do believe CC isnt all that great, because it captures food and waste, and raise nitrates. 1" sand bed isnt just for fish only, I think it is for a more of a NSW sand, because it will cause nitrates which some corals like, and keep them in the middle, because 1" of sand wont really trap any food or waste, and it wont keep the system too clean, I think it would be actually pretty close to NSW, but that is my opinion
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Old 11-07-2004, 06:08 PM   #32
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Not exactly. While some corals do fair better in an enviorment with 'dirty' water many more corals prefer a less dirty enviorment.
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Old 11-07-2004, 06:09 PM   #33
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Wow, good debate! I have a question. How do you know if your DSB if functioning properly. How do you check for that? I know I have tons of the brown "fleas" or pods, but not many tiny white ones (copepods). I do not know if I have mini stars or worms as I have not seen either but they WERE put into my tank. Do I just take a sample and sift threw it or can I tell by looking at the sand layers on the glass?

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1 cleaner shrimp, Coral Banded Shrimp, lettuce nudibranch, 1 sand sifter stars, 1 tiny red brittle star "red", 1 tiny red and white banded serpent star, 2 tiny banded serpent stars, small orange Linkia starfish, assorted hermits and snails. Corals: star polyps, A ton of different types of mushrooms, yellow zooanthids, brown-orangish and light blue paly's, orange ricordia.

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Old 11-07-2004, 06:09 PM   #34
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Oh yea, I did some reaserch, and xenia love water with some nitrates, they are found in the ocean by sewer entries sometimes LOL
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Old 11-07-2004, 06:12 PM   #35
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Check out garf.org They have garf grunge with alot of life in it, like coepods, amphipods, stars, etc.
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Old 11-07-2004, 06:27 PM   #36
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Yeah, I have that in there too
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150 gallon, 30g fuge/sump, 4.5 watt/gal VHO Lighting, 4" sand bed, 290 lbs LR, CDX-3 Nitrate/Phosphate filter

Female Naso "Isabell" or "Izzy", Emperor Angelfish, Flame Angel, Red Sea Sailfin tang "Bambi", Maroon Clown "Nani", 5 Chromis, 1 Aglae Blenny "Bengi" , Yellow Watchman Goby, pr of Banggai Cardinals, Lyretail Anthia, Six Line Wrasse

1 cleaner shrimp, Coral Banded Shrimp, lettuce nudibranch, 1 sand sifter stars, 1 tiny red brittle star "red", 1 tiny red and white banded serpent star, 2 tiny banded serpent stars, small orange Linkia starfish, assorted hermits and snails. Corals: star polyps, A ton of different types of mushrooms, yellow zooanthids, brown-orangish and light blue paly's, orange ricordia.

90g RR, W/D, 120 lb's LR SF eel, pygmy angel, pr sebae clownfish, 4 chromis. Star Polyps & Mushrooms
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sorry to be pirating the thread here but since we are on the subject of microfauna, does anybody have any links to pics of pods? i got some critters i want to ID!
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I really didn't get the gist of SWTeen's post... *shrugs* All I ask is that words are not put in my mouth, nor taken out of context. I never said a DSB isn't natural. The fact of the matter is none of our tanks are "natural" so to speak. The natural reefs we so daringly try to mimic are low in organics and high in oxygen. Where our psuedo reefs are high in organic matter and low in oxygen. There is also no direct proof that the DSB is the reason some previous easily kept species are more difficult now. It is simply a theory.

Just so we are strait on my thoughts of the matter; It is merely a matter of preference. Hobbyists have had great success with all types of substrates. The maintenence involed with each is completely different. I have used DSBs and with no issues at all (granted I haven't had one more than 2 years). I have run SSB with no issues. I am running a shallow bed now with a removeble DSB fuge and love every minute of it. Of course I can pull mine out at the first sign of problems too.

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If I were to set up another large tank, I think that's how I would do it. A SSB in the main tank with a big fuge containing the DSB. That would seem to give you the benefits of the DSB while eliminating some of the risks. JMHO.
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Wow, good debate! I have a question. How do you know if your DSB if functioning properly. How do you check for that? I know I have tons of the brown "fleas" or pods, but not many tiny white ones (copepods). I do not know if I have mini stars or worms as I have not seen either but they WERE put into my tank. Do I just take a sample and sift threw it or can I tell by looking at the sand layers on the glass?

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I knew mine was working when my nitrates fell to 0. I think it took around 6 weeks or so after the initial cycle. It sounds as though you have added some valuable critters. You may not always notice them. I would let your water params be the guide to if it is functioning properly.
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