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Old 11-08-2003, 12:21 PM   #1
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wow wow no comments on fiji rocks ??

cant believe no thread on the fiji rock issue ?!?!?!?!!? what are ya people thinkin out there ?? just curious
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I have not followd the story 100% but I can tell you from reading some other forums that there are some folks who are taking this out of proportion.

From what I understand the government has or is suggesting putting a hold, or greatly limiting, the import of fiji rock and corals until the fiji government can develop and propose a 'continual harvest' plan of conservation.
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Old 11-08-2003, 02:24 PM   #3
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which tells me that it prob gonna be awhile !! wasnt fiji cannibals just 50 years ago ??
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Old 11-08-2003, 02:29 PM   #4
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One thing I noticed with all the political stuff is, you always hear how they are going to stop letting us have the rocks and corals, but won't ban people from wearing sunblock and gosh knows what else they put on, and then getting in our oceans...there is no telling what that stuff is doing to our reefs and corals..Fuel, oil, waste, etc....all out in the great blue yonder........
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The uneducated are jumping to conclusions that this is going to lead to an all out ban on rock and coral imports. That is not the case. I have seen statistics just as recently as a few weeks ago that showed the US is by far the #1 importer of rock, coral and fish.

Many of these third world countries have no 'sustanable harvest' plans ineffect and the net result of this is that the current generation of collectors is basicly taking away from the reef faster than the reef can sustain and the net effect is that they are basicly taking the livelyhood away from their son's and their son's son's because of the methods and amounts they are taking.

The US govertment is working on helping these nations realize the benifits of a controlled collection process where fish and corals as well as rocks are not taken from the reef in a manor thats faster than the natural reef can sustain.

www.coralreefs.gov

http://www.coralreef.noaa.gov

Whats interesting is back in '99 their was discussions of a total ban from fiji.
http://www.spc.org.nc/coastfish/News/lrf/7/LRF7-10.htm

Now for the acutal facts on this.

http://www.cites.org/eng/news/sundry...renewed2.shtml

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Therefore the recommendation of the Conference of the Parties that all Parties refuse any import from and export or re-export to Fiji of specimens of CITES-listed species is renewed from 31 October 2003 until further notice.

What is CITIES

The specific items would be those listed in Appendex II of the CITIES report.

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Appendix II lists species that are not necessarily now threatened with extinction but that may become so unless trade is closely controlled. It also includes so-called "look-alike species", i.e. species of which the specimens in trade look like those of species listed for conservation reasons (see Article II, paragraph 2 of the Convention). International trade in specimens of Appendix-II species may be authorized by the granting an export permit or re-export certificate; no import permit is necessary. Permits or certificates should only be granted if the relevant authorities are satisfied that certain conditions are met, above all that trade will not be detrimental to the survival of the species in the wild. (See Article IV of the Convention)
http://www.cites.org/eng/disc/species.shtml

CITIES Appendex II list of Fiji
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Old 11-08-2003, 05:37 PM   #6
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very nice fishfreek like the links!! the first i heard of this was yesterday at my lfs !! so couldnt wait to get to work to read about it !!


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The uneducated are jumping to conclusions that this is going to lead to an all out ban on rock and coral imports. That is not the case. I have seen statistics just as recently as a few weeks ago that showed the US is by far the #1 importer of rock, coral and fish.

think this is a bit harsh to say dont you ?? uneducated ?!?!?! not the right word mabe miss lead or misunderstood to say the least !!! the issues are all valid on both sides and even though i love to think that our great country would love to save the world !! but come on they do more damage then they do good most of the time !!

but started this just to hear what people views on it were!! not to have a war on words
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look at iraq were speading millions shipping in oil to iraq ?!?!?@!?@#?$##@$

whats that about ???
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uneducated = those who dont bother to take what they hear and investigate and find the truth aganst the rumors.

Im not calling you uneducated at all nor am I pointing fingers at anyone in particular. But as im sure your aware there are many a folks who will take what they hear and turn it around to some grandeious plot aganst mankind or something.

Your free to discuss political views in the lounge but be aware that as with anything political opinons will differ and people will be very adiment about their views.
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Fishfreek... I would i be correct in saying that there is a huge difference in Fiji live rock and live rock from a farm?
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I would i be correct in saying that there is a huge difference in Fiji live rock and live rock from a farm?
I would rather have live rock from a farm (i.e. aqua cultured rock) instead of Fiji as it seems to have the most life and hitchikers on it. Of course this is not always the case as it depends on the company culturing the rock in the first place.
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