Go Back   Aquarium Advice - Aquarium Forum Community > Saltwater and Reef > Saltwater & Reef - Getting Started
Click Here to Login

Join Aquarium Advice Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com
 
Old 10-08-2012, 09:58 PM   #1
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
jackwagon's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Ohio
Posts: 504
X-mas Tank (1st Try at Saltwater)

I would like to start my first saltwater tank in the near future. This would be an extended build as I would slowly gather supplies until I can get it all at Christmas. I would like to keep this a 20 gallon long tank in order to keep general costs down. I would like to make this a reef tank also. I would like a pair of clownfish and am undecided on the rest of the stock. As far as corals go I would LOVE to have a Zoa garden like convict's. that's all I really know for sure now. Now here are the questions (sorry) haha.

1. I know for a reef you need 30-40x the turnover rate so would 2 hydor 425 work?

2. Skimmer?

3. Sump/fuge?

4. This tank would be built on a DIY stand and be in my basement so I would need a good heater. Suggestions?

5. Lighting?

6. Am I missing anything?

Thanks in advance

P.s: I hold this forum responsible for my aquarium addiction. :p
__________________

__________________
jackwagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2012, 10:12 PM   #2
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
obscurereef's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: San Diego
Posts: 2,301
If you want zoas, and also mushrooms, they don't require much light, so lighting won't be an outrageous cost for you if you're just getting soft corals. I think those powerheads would be fine. Would definitley recommend a sump/refugium. Whatever fits under the stand or next to it if you like. Reef Octupus and AquaC Remora skimmers have great reputations and are high quality. Find out how big your skimmer will be, if you want one b/c you don't necessarily need one, and base that on how big the sump should be. Any heater would do; I use Finnex HMO Heater w/ Digital LED Controller - Heaters - Heaters & Chillers - Bulk Reef Supply on my 70 gallon aquarium and a smaller one on my 20 QT and had no problems, plus since it isn't glass it won't shatter or break if you somehow drop it. Recommend LEDs if you have the money, if not T5 HO work too!
__________________

__________________
“Success is walking from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm.”

- Winston Churchill
obscurereef is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2012, 10:19 PM   #3
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
jackwagon's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Ohio
Posts: 504
Ok thanks for the response. Do you think a skimmer is necessary along with a sump or fuge? Could you tell me the benifits of each over not running either?
__________________
jackwagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2012, 10:27 PM   #4
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
obscurereef's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: San Diego
Posts: 2,301
Well the refugium isn't going to do much. Yes it might reduce the nitrates a little, but even a 100 gallon refugium isn't going to solve all your problems. I think it is too heavily relied on, when in reality, a small piece of macroalgae isn't going to do miracles. Of course there are all the benefits: filtration, area for pods to grow and not be eaten (same goes for the macroalgae), and reduction in nitrates (since they feed off of this). I made that kind of confusing, hopefully it's somewhat understandable. Benefits of running it is it really helps out with getting a lot of the waste that would otherwise decompose and raise nitrates. Also helps if you overfeed, which many beginners do unknowingly. This can raise nitrates, phosphates, and cause cyano and hair algae, etc. With regular water changes, like 10% or more each week, you can keep waste to a minimum hopefully. If you don't think this is possible, I'd say get the skimmer as it really helps out, but manually taking out waste and water and replenishing it weekly will be enough where you wouldn't need a skimmer. I think Convict runs his biocube with no skimmer and he does 5 gallon water changes a week and you can see those stunning results working!
__________________
“Success is walking from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm.”

- Winston Churchill
obscurereef is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2012, 10:44 PM   #5
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
jackwagon's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Ohio
Posts: 504
Ok speaking of water changes, how would I do that? What water and what salt is best? Distilled? I can't afford an RO unit right now. Also any suggestions on lights? And a skimmer?
__________________
jackwagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2012, 10:55 PM   #6
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
jackwagon's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Ohio
Posts: 504
Also what about a refractometer? Or will a hydrometer work? A test kit?
__________________
jackwagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2012, 10:56 PM   #7
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
obscurereef's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: San Diego
Posts: 2,301
For my water changes/maintenance for my 70 gallon DT, every weekend I mix 10-15 gallons of SW in a 30 gallon BRUTE trash bin 24 or more hours before hand. You want to allow 24 hours (preferably mixing with a powerhead) for at least 24 hours so the salt can dissolve completely. Try to match the salinity & temp as close as possible w/ the new water made. Blow off debris off rocks, but I don't blow the sand (can use a siphon if you want or even turkey baster) and most of the debris goes down my overflow to my filter sock. Turn off all equipment, drain about 10-15 gallons of water while debris is still floating, then replace it with the new water. I also, I turn on the washing machine and pre-rinse w/ no detergent or anything. Then throw my filter sock in there w/ no detergent and let it air dry. One last thing is I clean out the skimmer, the more it's cleaned, the higher efficiency. Overview: blow debris from rocks, turn everything off, empty some water, fill it with pre-mixed new water, turn everything back on except for lights so fish don't get stressed. Can you afford distilled water from the grocery store? That would be much better than tap. What's your budget on lighting and do you only want to keep soft corals? I use 6 60" sunlight supply TEK T5 HO which will grow almost anything. Here's some lighting if you're you want to look on your own.
24 Inch T5 Fluorescent Light Fixtures | Marine Depot
__________________
“Success is walking from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm.”

- Winston Churchill
obscurereef is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2012, 10:57 PM   #8
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
obscurereef's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: San Diego
Posts: 2,301
For highest accuracy, and if you're keeping a lot of corals and want to make sure you know your exact salinity, then go with refractometer. Otherwise a hydrometer would be fine. API standard SW test kit works for cycle and can use the reef one too, but they aren't super accurate. Salifert and Red Sea are more accurate and awesome
__________________
“Success is walking from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm.”

- Winston Churchill
obscurereef is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2012, 11:16 PM   #9
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
jackwagon's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Ohio
Posts: 504
Ok here is what I understand

If I don't run a protein skimmer, I will have more water changes to do. So 2 gallons of a 20 gallon tank is 10% once a week. Is this enough? How expensive?

My budget is pretty low. I am hoping to either get equipment for x-mas or amazon gift cards.

Lighting is one of the most expensive parts but also one of the most important. I am planning on only growing beginner, easy care corals to start. Maybe an anemone later for the clowns but nothing special.

I still don't understand what kind of filtration to run though.
__________________
jackwagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2012, 11:25 PM   #10
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
obscurereef's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: San Diego
Posts: 2,301
It would be best to do 10 % water change even with a protein skimmer, just means you'd have "cleaner" water. Protein skimmer is just a piece of equipment to help out. On larger tanks it is preferred b/c of how much waste there is. Smaller tanks, it's not a huge problem.
__________________

__________________
“Success is walking from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm.”

- Winston Churchill
obscurereef is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
salt, saltwater, tan

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off








» Photo Contest Winners








Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:09 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.