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12-19-2008, 11:06 PM
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I believe he doesn't know what the heat treatment is. By "old school" I meant that he has simple views on everything. Dead fish - no biggie, just buy more. White spots - no biggie, they'll go away. White water - no biggie, it'll filter out. Etc, etc. I wish I'd know what the correct term for that is.
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Fish: 2 black mollies (1 male and 1 female), 3 bronze corydoras and molly fry.
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12-19-2008, 11:08 PM
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Well I would consider that thinking, a hippie haha.
Old school is what I consider my parents, how it was in the old days. Old school to me is when everything was being learned. Now that everything has been learned we know right from wrong from experience and research.
I just consider your dad has a simple thinker. Doesn't take much of a challenge. Hey rather have a good looking tank instead of a good caring tank, that grows into a good looking tank in time.
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12-20-2008, 01:42 AM
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lol they do that all their lifes lol
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12-20-2008, 12:17 PM
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Try the heat treatment yourself he wont know, ben and i may be at a disagreement on which treatment is the safest. IMO heat is less stressful on your fish. And easier too. Turn your heater up slowly about 1 degree every few hours is fine. When the thermometer on the tank reaches 86 stop with the heat. Let the tank run at this temp for two weeks. Even though it seems that the fish are better in just a few days let it run at the temp for two weeks. Thats the key part is time. Heat is prolly cheaper (depending on heater size) than the medication as well.
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12-20-2008, 12:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jnam
Try the heat treatment yourself he wont know, ben and i may be at a disagreement on which treatment is the safest. IMO heat is less stressful on your fish. And easier too. Turn your heater up slowly about 1 degree every few hours is fine. When the thermometer on the tank reaches 86 stop with the heat. Let the tank run at this temp for two weeks. Even though it seems that the fish are better in just a few days let it run at the temp for two weeks. Thats the key part is time. Heat is prolly cheaper (depending on heater size) than the medication as well.
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Well in my IME, the heat treatment killed all my ottos, 2 of my tetras, plus it didn't cure the ich of the fish that had it. So I stick with the liquid stuff since it cures fastest and doesn't effect the fish that don't get it. That's just my experience though, everyone has different thoughts and such, but lets stay on topic.
How are the mollies doing now?
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12-20-2008, 06:09 PM
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Sometimes it goes that way, I guess trying to change nature is never 100% predictable.
Either choice you make it does sound like ICH, maybe explain the cost o treatmen vs cost to replace. Tell your dad that each fish costs what $4-5USD so if you lose 2 mollies to ICH thats about 10bucks and then 3 corys thats about 15 bucks so we are at 25$. Ich medication is maybe 8$ or heat is what 14 days or 336 hours on a 100w heater 100w = .1kWh so thats 33.6 kWh at what 5 cents an kWh so thats 1.68$ roughly so yeah either way is certainly cheaper than replacing your fish...
I dont know how the heat method or the medication method will react with your fry. Let us know how its going though.
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12-20-2008, 06:15 PM
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My ich medicine was only 5 bucks, and I keep in mind that if us people get sick, we don't just go natural, we give ourselves medicine. So I take it the fish should be pretty much the same deal, if they get sick they need to be treated
Also I had some tetras with ich when my molly just release the fry and the fry were still swimming in the tank before I removed i treated with ich and it effect none of them. That's ime though.
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12-20-2008, 06:57 PM
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Well their you go safe to use on fry. I agree on the medication part, depending on your ailment. Sometimes grandmas home made chicken soup goes a lot further than medication though. LOL
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12-20-2008, 07:06 PM
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Haha, I guess it's all in the method you use really. Whatever works, works.
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12-20-2008, 08:31 PM
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Oh man, something's crazy going on... one of our female mollies died a couple of days ago, today the other one jumped out from the tank and Dad noticed her on the floor just in time before she dried up. She was recovering all day and just jumped out of the tank again a couple of minutes ago. It seems she wants to commit suicide badly... but why?!
We bought another female molly today and she seems young and energetic although not very eager to mate with our male molly is feeling a little lonely. But I'm sure they'll be fine.
Jnam, I completely agree with you and FishCrazyBenBOMB on the medicine. But you see Dad wouldn't even let me do a heat treatment! He'd be like "Why are you always changing the temperature? Have you nothing else to do?! Blah blah blah..." Plus he's an idiot. If I told him that the fish look sick and that it'll be cheaper to buy liquid medicine (since one molly costs $9.99+HST here in Halifax and I think liquid medicine can't cost much more than that), he'll say something like "Oh come on, I always had fish and this never happened... they should be fine... this is weird but they should be fine, just like all my other fish before them."
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