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Old 07-17-2011, 12:45 PM   #1
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The Forty Gallon Breeder Build

So yesterday, I got my 40 gallon breeder! We were in luck, Petco was about to close but thankfully they let us in along with all the other numerous customers that came in at last minute for fish. Thankfully no one wanted forty gallon breeders, so we got a good one. Unfortunately though I had to give up my twenty high and my thirty gallon community to get it. The twenty I got a full refund on for the heater, tank and hood and the thirty will be going to my cousin for his birthday in two weeks or so. It originally did belong to him anyways, so I guess its time to give it back.

So this is where I will be keeping track of all my forty gallon breeder setup! I will be posting pics, asking questions about possible fish, plants and lighting requirements, and this will be where I will update on cycling in order to keep myself from posting multiple threads at a time. As for cycling, right now I'm seeding some filter media before I give the tank to my cousin, and then I'll start cycling my tank. My aunt also has pure ammonia, no dyes additives or coloration anything, so I am asking her for that. However quick question, if it is ammonia for medical purposes do you think it is pure? If not otherwise I will have to wait another month or so for them to convert an old movie rental place into Ace Hardware to get my pure ammonia right down the street.

For the fishies, right now my focus is on angels. I love angels but sadly never have had enough room for them, so I believe this should be enough space for them. I've also been focusing on other fish too, but I would like my angels to be centerpiece fish. What do you think of the stocking list so far?
X2 angel pair
X1 GBR
X6 rummynose tetras
I am also interested in other possibilities but am not sure if I have enough room. I like rainbows, however I know this is not a big enough tank for them. Are there any dwarf species commonly available? Would threadfins possibly work?
Also I am starting to get interested in the golden killifish. I was wondering if I could get a pair? Or would they get territorial with the angel pair? If they would is it better to keep all females instead, and if so how do you tell the sexes apart?
Think any other fish could fit in there or do you have any other ideas? Feel free to share, I am open to possible stocking options!
I wanted to go heavily planted on this tank because I like the value of plants and the color they provide to the tank, it's much more natural and somewhat more calming to me. I want a good light fixture, so instead of buying the hood that comes with the light for the forty breeder at Petco, I decided to get a better one instead. What do you think of T5 lightbulbs? The fixture comes with two T5 lightbulb fixtures, should that be enough light to grow at least some plants?
Sorry for the lengthy post! Hope you didn't hurt your eyes reading through this.
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Sounds like a good plan. Love that tank size too! Following!
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Old 07-17-2011, 02:19 PM   #4
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Thanks guys! Going to visit the LFS today for a tank stand and going to start setting up this week! Very excited.
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X2 angel pair
X1 GBR
X6 rummynose tetras
2x angel pair... do you mean 2 angels, 1 pair? 2 pairs won't work in a 40 breeder IMO. I'd worry about the GBR when the angels breed too.
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Isn't a 40B a little shallow for angels with substrate and all?
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Isn't a 40B a little shallow for angels with substrate and all?
Hmm, I guess I wasn't thinking that. Will get measurements of the height.

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2x angel pair... do you mean 2 angels, 1 pair? 2 pairs won't work in a 40 breeder IMO. I'd worry about the GBR when the angels breed too.
I mean 2 angels that are going to pair off. I guess I will leave the GBR out of it.
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Measured the tank height, it is about sixteen inches high, is that good?
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Update as of this night:
Got back home after some errands, tennis, dinner and a quick look at the LFS for golden killies and I began to cycle my sponges. I put them in the filter along with the other sponge. I left the activated carbon and the ceramic mesh bag in the tank. Do the carbon and mesh have to be in the filter in order for the bacteria to absorb ammonia and nitrites? I plan on keeping them in there for a month, do you think they will have enough bacteria to do a fish-in cycle with a honey gourami in a forty gallon breeder for a month or do you think it's best I try fishless instead? Please help me!
So after some PMs and talk with a fellow member, I have decided on four killifish, one male and three females. I have a five gallon ready if the male decides to pair up with a female. I was looking and saw some threadfins at the LFS too. So could you tell me if this tank is overstocked yet, if so what fish should I get rid of???
My Current Stocking Plan for a Forty Gallon Breeder:
-one angel pair
-school of some sort of tetra (undecided still)
-school of threadfin rainbows or some other small possible rainbow?
-four golden killifish with a ratio of one male to three females
-one honey gold gourami
-eight emerald cories

Is that tank stocked, overstocked, just right, understocked? If overstocked what do you reccomend? I am planning on having two filters in there, an AquaClear and an Aquaeon, the Aquaclear rated for up to fifty gallons and the Aquaeon for forty gallons. Please let me know! Thanks.


**edit: mean seeding the sponges, sorry!**
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Another Update!

So I've been researching plants that I'd want for the tank. So far I have java fern, anubias, rotala indica, myrio and some species of smaller hygro in my tank. I do not have the correct lighting for these plants unfortunately but thankfully my tank is by a window sill so sunlight helps them flourish a bit. I wanted to add these plants to my tank, along with these.
As a Carpet Effect:
-java moss?
-glossotigma?
-christmas moss?
For the Foreground:
-anubias
-the smaller species of hygro
-micro sword
-pygmy chain sword
For the Middle:
-java fern
-water trumpet
-Limnophilia Aromatica, aka Rice Patty Herb
-italian val
-baby tears
-dwarf saggitaria
-banana plant
-Blyxa Japonica
For the Background:
-Elodea (egeria densa, I wanted to use this to fill any empty spots in the tank because it's not very pretty IMO but grows fast)
-amazon sword
-Ludwiga respens
-Giant hygro
-water sprite
-rotala indica
-myrio
-water wisteria
Floating Plants:
-duckweed? or is it too invasive?

Now I know this is a LOT of plants to fit into a forty but that's what I like, really heavily planted tanks, I like the look of an underwater jungle or forest intermingled with driftwood. However I know all these plants need A LOT of light. Do you think a T5 dual fixture that fits two bulbs will be sufficient lighting?


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