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Old 04-29-2015, 01:02 PM   #11
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Yeah, but if you put tap water in the tank, you are just going to kill all the BB in your seeded filter. No?
If you're in the process of cycling, i certainly hope that youre not trying to do it with chlorinated water
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No, but it never occurred to me to even treat the water before putting it in a brand new tank. I always do it after due to the large quantity of water required.
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I use a 27 Gal plastic tote to pre-treat the new water and stabilize the temps & aerate it prior to adding it to the tank. This is also how I add the salt for the somewhat brackish water I use for the guppy tank. Any plant ferts go into the pre-treat as well.
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Old 05-02-2015, 01:42 AM   #14
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Seeded filter and old water, instant cycle?

The old water wouldn't have ammonia, just nitrates, if it's from a healthy tank.

Do you have all the settings for cycling? Higher temp, higher ph, lots of aeration, some phosphate ... ? I'm excavating an old memory here ... Just remembering it takes many more ingredients than ammonia and bacteria.

I don't think people use bottled ammonia because it's "better", it's just predictable.


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Temp is 82. Ph is 7.4. I'm using a sponge filter and have the air turned up pretty high for now. Not sure about the phosphates. I ended up going with a piece of shrimp and have my ammonia up to 2.0 now.

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this is kinda a question and a log of what my 55g freshwater tank is doing during the fishless cycle w food Ive been doing.......here it goes,
Set-up---------

55g freshwater tank
Eheim 200w submersible heater
Marineland C360 canister filter(carbon in)
Air pump w bulb wand attached
Black epoxy coated gravel 40#( have 20# more that i havent added)
temp- 79.5f right now.
Food----
used wardley tropical flake for first 3 weeks, then switched to cichlid crisps these last 2 weeks(didnt document when i switched food type, oops!)((also didnt measure exact amount of food i was adding, just tapped some into the lid, probably a mounded dime size at first for the flake, then a mounded quarter size when i started adding double the amount of food-with the flake only)

Tank up and running 3/27 added dime size amounts of food everyday but didnt start testing till 4/3
4/3-1xfood, a-0.50. ni-0
4/4-1x food, a-0.50,
4/5-1x food,a-0.50, ni-0, na-0
4/6.......
4/7-2x food, a-0.50~1.0, ni-0
4/8-1x food, a-0.50~1.0, ni-0
4/9-2x food, a-1.0, ni-0
4/10-2x food, a-1~2, ni-^0
4/11-2x food, a-1~2, ni-0~0.25
4/12-2x food, a-2~4, ni-0.25?
4/13......
4/14.......
4/15-2x food, a-2, ni-0.25, na-0
4/16-2x food, a-2~4, ni-0.25, na-0
4/18-1.5x food, a-2, ni-0.25, na-0
4/19-2x food, a-2, ni-0.25~0.50, na-0
switched food somewhere close to here
4/20-2x food, a-2, ni-0.25, na-0
4/26-2x food, a-2, ni-0.25
4/29-0 food,a-2~4, ni-0.50~1, na-^0
4/30-2x food, a-2~4, ni-5
5/2-0 food, a-0.25~0.50, ni-^5, na-20

and that brings us to today. now do i need to do any pwc because im getting high amounts of nitrates now or what? i hope everyone can understand what ive wrote in my above testing log.I have also only tested my ph one time in the very begining and i never even recorded what it was.......help with advice on what to do now?????
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Don't add any more food for 24hrs and test. If you read 0s for nitrite and ammonia you are ready for fish. Do a 70% pwc and put them in.

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Don't add any more food for 24hrs and test. If you read 0s for nitrite and ammonia you are ready for fish. Do a 70% pwc and put them in.

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The problem with that is, the ammonia production from a little tood is going to be less than fish. You would have ammonia spikes.
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The problem with that is, the ammonia production from a little tood is going to be less than fish. You would have ammonia spikes.
I'm not suggesting that he should dump 100% of his stocking in but it was up to 2.0 ammonia and down to 0 again. So if he's patient and adds a few fish at a time it should be fine.

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