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Old 03-18-2005, 04:53 PM   #11
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Most LFS's sell their fish before they have a chance to die. Somewhat of a negitive outlook but its true. Im not sure on what the average turnover time is for a fish in the LFS but I would venture a guess its less than the 3-4 weeks a suggested QT period is.

I have yet to find a published aquarists/author dispute the benifits of quarinteen.
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Old 03-18-2005, 05:01 PM   #12
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I love that fish on your avaitar. what was it called? something...hawkfish. I saw one at the pet store when I got my angel. very cool fish. I may want to get one final fish for my system. Originally it was going to be a royal gramma, but I think I may want to go with something a bit more exotic.
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Old 03-18-2005, 05:07 PM   #13
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Old 03-18-2005, 07:31 PM   #14
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if this happened alot you would think that many petshops would go under due to losing so much livestock!
The mark up on livestock in petshops is 200-400% due to the loss factor, when I worked at an LFS it was not uncommon to lose 25-30% of a shipment within the first few days and we went and picked them up, transported for no more than hour or two, I can only imagine how bad it is for people that have to have their livestock flown in.

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or would qt themselves?
It is becoming more and more common from my experience, but the simple fact of the matter is, an lfs depends on turnover, they get rid of the stock before they become symptomatic.
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Old 03-18-2005, 08:05 PM   #15
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Moral of the story- QT your new arrivals, and CB shrimp cause more problems than they are worth- have you seen those claws!!!
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It is becoming more and more common from my experience, but the simple fact of the matter is, an lfs depends on turnover, they get rid of the stock before they become symptomatic.
This and they take other measures such as keeping a level of copper in their fish systems.
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Please visit the thread I just posted in the sick fish forum showing a pic of the Angel with White specs.

http://www.aquariumadvice.com/viewto...=369699#369699

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Old 03-18-2005, 09:21 PM   #18
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1) All tanks contain most of the parasites and viruses anyway.
Complete and utter nonsense.

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The best bet is to keep the water quality and stress level low enough to keep the fishes own immune system healthy rather than try in vain to keep the bad critters out in the first place.
Backwards thinking. A healthy well maintained sytem is a must but it will have no affect on the presence of a parasite.

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2) Quarantining introduces a double stress. Take a transported fish and put it in a QT, let it get "used to it" and then dump it again into a different environment, starting again on the stress..
Again, backwards thinking. A properly set up and cycled QT would be no stress at all. In fact it is proven more times than not when QT'ing new arrivals the "alone time" actually reduces stress and allows the fishs' immune system to gain strength before it's introduced to the community.

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I guess my point is that there is no "right way" and no "wrong way" to do this hobby
In some regards your correct but not this one. There's hobbiest experiences and proven scientific fact. One is most definately on your side, the other is not

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1) All tanks contain most of the parasites and viruses anyway.
Complete and utter nonsense.
I'll admit that my statement is based on very little science, how about yours?
Do you have proof of this statement?

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I'll admit that my statement is based on very little science, how about yours?
Do you have proof of this statement?
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