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Old 06-12-2005, 12:28 PM   #1
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All new Died - Don't know why

75 Gallon Reef Tank setup.

8 Weeks old and finshed cycle

48" 4x65W Coralife LUNAR Aqualight Deluxe Series
2x Actinic and 2x 10,000K, 3x 3/4W Blue LEDs -Straight Pin
100 pounds of live rock (adding more)
30 gallon sump
AquaC EV120 Protein Skimmer w/ JG Fitting + Rio 2100 Pump
live rock in sump
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SpectraPure LiterMeter III LM3 Aquarium Dosing System
2 SEIO M820 820/3200 Pumps
Nature’s Ocean® Bio-Activ Live™ Aragonite
CaribSea Mineral Mud Refugium Substrate


Salinity = 1.02
Nitrate = 1.5
Nitrite = 0
PH = 8.3
Temp = 78.1
Alk = High - 12.7
Phosphate = 0
Calicum = 300

Hopefully putting all that together someone can tell me possable causes why new Cleaner Shrimp, Coral Banded Shrimp, 2 Pencil Urchin, & a Feather Duster died this morning. There were put into the tank yesterday afternoon.

I also put 2 Pink Tip Haitian Anemones in the tank and they both have kinda sucked in them selfs. I never had this happen with my old setup. I Acclimation correctly as instructed. I also put 4 turbo snails in to but they seem to be ok.

does anybody know why this would happen? I'm thinking that the Alk might have caused this death so soon.

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Old 06-12-2005, 01:53 PM   #2
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Alk is high, but not that high. However it's out of balance with your calcium levels...they should be at least 425ppm with an alk that high.

still, that shouldn't kill inverts in under 24 hours.

Salinity... 1.02...what? 1.020? .021 .022?

Also, anemone's aren't recommended until the tank is at least 6 months old, preferably 9-12 months.

Anyhow, nothing 'jumps out' at me as being the obvious culprit.
can you describe your acclimation method? that's about the only thing I can think of besides a contaminent.
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Old 06-12-2005, 02:48 PM   #3
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Salinity is 1.0275, and Ammonia is 0. The 2 that are out of wack are Calcium & Alk and the Alkalinity is way over. I just wonder if very high Alkalinity can hurt new arrivals. I'm kinda guessing on the number for Alkalinity because my Salifert kits I ran out of and I'm using my backup kits. One of the kits is just color with High, Med, & Low. The other is also color but telling me passed 300ppm.

I know I made a big mistake in adding the anemones; I hit myself in the head for it! But my other additions should have been ok. I also noticed that my plants that were doing good are now dieing too. Acclimation was done by adding the bags and letting them sit in the tank for 30 min. then I put 1/2 cup of my water into the bags. I do this 4 times. Each time i wait 20 to 30 minutes.

So I'm at a loss right now.
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drip acclimation is better, although snails and shrimp should not be that picky.

Salinity is high. I've never seen a recommendation for over 1.026. 1.025 is what most reefers seem to shoot for.
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Old 06-12-2005, 03:55 PM   #5
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OK, so I need to drop the Salinity, and I'll do the drip next time. but as for my Alk problem, I'm gonna try adding just C-Balance Part A from Two Little Fishies. Hopefully will drop my Alk and increase my Calcium.
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Get your SG down first since it will affect your ALk as well, not much be some.
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what the best way to do that?
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Replace water with non salt water. Not evap. but water change. I'd do a gal every 8 hrs until your sg is closer to 1.024-1.025
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Didnt list your Ammonia levels, though your Nitrate should be 0, not 1.5 Your SG should be 1.025 max in general (Course those of us with Hydrometers are never really sure, now are we?) I am doubting your tank is cycled. To be sure, were it me, and it is not..I would consider some Bio-Spira. Can be bought off the internet or from a good LFS. Its not cheap but it has always helped me.

http://www.marineland.com/products/m...l_biospira.asp

Another great theory would be related to the anemones. *Very* tough little animal to keep and I would suggest with those params probably insta-croak. They are way toxic and if you did not remove them right away they could have easily have polluted the tank causing your other delicated inverts to croak. This I know from experience. Maybe a clown fish or two is in order to get things rolling. Its much cheper than dumping in a bunch of expensive animals.

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I would say it was the acclimation.. Did you test the SG of the LFS water ? You need to test your water SG and the LFS SG and them drip slowly till the water in the bag or bowl matches the tank... I dip for an extra 30 min after it matches. Ph is another issue when acclimating fish.. IMO Shrimp are very sensitive and need a slower acclimation then fish.
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