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Old 08-01-2011, 04:46 PM   #11
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It really isn't that difficult ,,,,don't over complicate it..I think we all started in FW ,so you'll be over here soon enough...
,,and yes ,,SW ich is completely different than FW ich
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First it is not ich if it is in saltwater, it is white spot disease and a completely different pathogen.

I have not found any of the 'reef safe' meds to be either, consistently reef safe or consistently effective as a med.

It is always debated, and I am sure it will be here as well, but I have talked to multiple people who have used garlic to treat white spot in a reef. Scientific studies have shown that allicin, a chemical in freshly pressed garlic, can actively kill parasites. The best form is not the bottled stuff in the LFS, it is freshly pressed garlic juice used to soak the food. I have also talked to people who used New Life Spectrum's Thera+A formula to do the same, but I would use freshly pressed garlic either way.
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I have read that too(about allicin),,isn't it in only one stage of life though?
It has a few stages that it is untouchable ...
Steven Pro has some wonderful articles about all this ....great reads
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I think he wrote the article that is usually linked in these discussions, which doesn't stand up IMO.

If you keep feeding it you can get rid of it. In FW ich it is the same way, the meds only treat one stage. Stop too soon and it comes right back.
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The ich can stay alive and dormant for up to 8 weeks so removal of the fish to treat is vital. The tank will sit fallow which will allow the ich to actually die off. In sw we dont' really gravel vac as it disturbs the sand bed.

Youre right in that the ich is in the tank, and not just on one fish. He cant use ich treatments because of the copper and most people have no luck in using the heat method in sw. It won't kill the ich and it will just re-emerge at a later time.
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Not sure what doesn't stand up to you ,,but that could be a long winded discussion ,,and i'm just not into that...
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The references in the article I am thinking of do not support the idea that garlic doesn't kill parasites. In fact one reference specified that it does kill ich. That is why the article doesn't stand up IMO. It doesn't prove or even support the whole idea of the article.
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I've decided that if my tank gets ich I'll just treat the fish separately and if it returns move the fish to a FOWLR where they can be free of it forever.

Good luck treating it, but as of now there really isn't a way to treat an invert tank and free it of ich.
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