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Old 05-27-2008, 08:44 PM   #11
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thanks for all your replies. I hadn't thought about a QT tank yet because of these being my first fish, although now I do see its still a great idea. I think I will try drip acclimation as well to help ease stress.

I think I just got unlucky, as of right now the other fish is eating ( ate this morning ) and seems to be siwmming around well and not hiding.

I do have to admit when I did buy the fish, as stated earlier, I had went to go get some fish food in another isle as the person was getting the first fish I had chosen ( i had no idea he was going ahead and getting the fish) - he chased that one around quite a bit because it was hiding behind rocks, and of course that was the one that ended up dying. Maybe coincidence, but I wont leave the tankside next time.

anyhow, thats that, hopefully with your suggestions my next llil clown will be ok, I know I did everything I could. Thanks again for being so helpful / understanding. Coming from the veterinary field, its a bit frustrating when you can't help a suffering animal..
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Old 05-27-2008, 09:16 PM   #12
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I don't think you did anything wrong, just got unlucky. The LFS guy may have injured the fish while trying to catch it. Some of the LFS are kind of rough when it comes to that. Maybe this did happen when you walked away for a sec.
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Well, maybe just really bad luck. I am 100% for sure getting a hospital tank.

When the other fish died, I could find nothing wrong with it other than it had passed away. No spots, signs of disease or anything.. Looking at the other clown in my tank now, he seems to be acting normal, not scratching on anything, and even has been eating, but Ive noticed tiny little spots on him on the upper part of his back. I'm so worried now ( perhaps parinoid.. but..) I hope to god this isnt ich or velvet. Ill try and get pics tonight.

If it is ich, I have 60# of LR, and argonite sand. with no inverts and no other fish, would it be ok to treat in the tank? I know its ideal to have a QT tank, but is it possible to treat in my tank? if so whats the safest way?

if I absolutely have to get a QT, and only plan on having the one small clown in there.. what size can I use? would a 5 gal be ok or do I really need bigger?

Im so frustrated. one dead fish and one with probable ich for my first two fish. AUGH.

speaking of which, what is the easiest way to post a pic in the posts here?
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its generally not a great idea to treat in the tank. If the medicine is copper based which i think ich meds might be then you wouldn't not be able to put any corals or inverts in the tank down the road. Lots of critters are sensitive to copper and if you treat in the tank the copper will stay in the tank and be enough to kill them. If it is ich i would try to separate him out and treat him there. As long as you have nothing else in the tank leave the clown in the QT for i think 6+ weeks (others will either confirm of correct me here) because that will be long enough that the ich cannot survive with out a host.
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First you need to determine if it is truely ich or not. It may not even be ich. Ich looks like the fish got salt sprinkled on it. Figure out how to get pictures on here. I think 5-gallons is big enough for just one clown, considering I had to make due with a 10-gallon hospital for 2-clowns and 1-tang and it all worked out ok. Just make sure to keep an eye on the water parameters and do lots of pwc. If it is ich, your 2-choices are hyposalinity(which I did) or copper, both choices in a QT. Oh, and the worst part..............if it is ich, you will have to keep the main tank fallow with no fish for 8-weeks. You could add snails and shrimp though.
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:(

I just seem to have horrible luck so far. If I hadnt spent so much money already I'd almost be inclined to sell everything.. sigh.. so discouraging.

One fish dead and one fish with ich within 2 days of buying them as my first fish. I thought about seeing if I could return the fish, but just dont think I could do that.. who knows what would happen. And if I could Id have to leave my main tank barron for another 6 weeks.. I dont know if I can successfully treat it, but I can try.

What size qt tank do I need? I dont plan on having more than this one fish for at least a few months.. would a 5 gal qt be ok for 1 clown? And when starting to QT, is it ok to use the water from my tank? ( I dont imagine the cysts have had time to fall of yet, just noticed the spots today) or should I put in fresh saltwater? I will be setting this up tomorrow so I can start treatment asap.

Would copper treatment be ok? Ive read about hyposalinity, but not sure if its possible with my work schedule.

thanks for all the help in this really stressful and frustrating time.. bleh.
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If you decide to QT use water from your main. See my post above. Oh and if you decide copper over hypo, then use cupramine.
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Ich doesnt attack snails or shrimp?

Im pretty sure it is, I wish I could take a picture. Lots of little white spots on his upper part of the back and fins. Poor guy. Hes hanging out a lot at the surface tonight. I hope he doesnt die before I can start treatment tomorrow

Even though hes the first fish Ive put in there, and it probably came from the LFS ( I only got him this past sunday) I imagine im going to have to leave the tank barron for 4-6 weeks still hm? blah.


Ok finally figured out how to tkae a good pic and add it... sure looks like ich unfortunatly.
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Unfortunately that does look like ich to me too. Read about your various choices. Hypo or Copper ATJ's Marine Aquarium Site - Reference - Hyposalinity Treatment

Inverts do not get it, so snails and shrimp are fine.
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Yup... sorry - that's ich. Hard way to learn why quarantine tanks are really a required thing in this hobby.

The link ryshark gave you is the absolute best instructions on hyposalinity. Unless you have some funky work schedule where you're gone weeks at a time, I don't know why you couldn't do it.

The work that's going to be a drag is constantly monitoring your water parameters because you're putting the fish into a non-cycled tank. Do you have any type of filter unit on your main tank that you can transfer over to a QT to give it a quick boost of established bacteria? If you go copper, the bacteria, I believe, will die off, but with hyposalinity you have a better chance of keeping the bacteria. Either way, you'll have to have some salt water mixed up and ready to go in case you need to do daily water changes to keep the ammonia/nitrite levels down. It's a pain... but it's doable!
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