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Old 08-18-2012, 08:17 PM   #21
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Hey Mikey, Your method may have worked for some reason or another but 9 times out of 10 it won't. We don't always have had to have tried something to know it works or doesn't work, there are tons of experts who will tell you that hypo or copper are the only sure fire methods that work. You may not agree with them but I find that Carey and Schism are pretty knowledgable here on this forum so give a little credence to what they say.
How exactly does anyone ignore when a product performs as advertised when directions are followed and considered a fluke?

If you don't want to try it, don't. But don't question my first hand experience in favor of biased opinions of others who have NO experience with the product in question. I'm clearly saying that I used it and it worked. Please don't come back at me with "I don't know why, but it must not have actually worked". ESPECIALLY if you have no relevant & first hand experience.

Sure, maybe you tried something else that failed, maybe you used a product outside its recommended usage, maybe you failed to follow directions. And don't forget, plenty of fish die during copper & hypo as well. Its a sick fish.
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Old 08-18-2012, 09:21 PM   #22
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Then why don't commercial fish farms use it to treat fish ?
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Old 08-18-2012, 09:39 PM   #23
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First off, I would assume cost would be a major factor. Logistics would be another.
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Old 08-18-2012, 11:17 PM   #24
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I used Proto Marin Coral as an in tank treatment for ich on my Blue Hippo. I have not seen it come back in months. Say what you will but I think the stuff worked.

I caught it early on, fish was still active & feeding. For a more advanced case, I would look at hypo salinity. But in terms of clearing the tank of the parasite, it seemed to work well. Maybe not 100% effective but enough to rid all symptoms going on 3 months now.
"I caught it early on" this is the most effective way to beat ICH. I have used Garlic Extreme to quell the dreaded ICH by catching it when the fist spots appeared. If I see any fish flash I add it to the food. If I see any spots I add it to the food and directly to the tank per the instructions.

Also IMO when you quarantine a fish it just adds to the fish's stress making it more susceptible to any ailment. If you think about how many times a fish's environment has changed from being caught in the wild to your ending up in your tank it's amazing that so many make it. I say getting it into a stable system could only help.
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Old 08-19-2012, 12:03 AM   #25
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"I caught it early on" this is the most effective way to beat ICH. I have used Garlic Extreme to quell the dreaded ICH by catching it when the fist spots appeared. If I see any fish flash I add it to the food. If I see any spots I add it to the food and directly to the tank per the instructions.

Also IMO when you quarantine a fish it just adds to the fish's stress making it more susceptible to any ailment. If you think about how many times a fish's environment has changed from being caught in the wild to your ending up in your tank it's amazing that so many make it. I say getting it into a stable system could only help.
so what are you saying don't qt fish
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I'm not going to disagree that a fish may be stressed when moving around however not using a QT protocol is playing Russian roulette. I guess the real question is are you willing to take the risk? If you are willing to risk it then I suppose you don't have to QT. I lost hundreds of dollars worth of fish a few years back in my larger aquarium by bringing in one fish and not using QT. Some fish stores claim to QT all of their livestock however, for how long?
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In addition, if you QT for parasites and your fish gets sick, you can rule that issue out.
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Wow that's the worst advice I've ever herd don't qt your fish ...I think this thread is dead there realy is info being passed along that is just plain false and untrue.. garlic may have boosted your fishes immune system to fight it off but your tank still has ick...I think I'm beating a dead horse hear when I say its a parasite garlic does not kill the parasite but its whatever I'm not commenting no more on this tread
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Also IMO when you quarantine a fish it just adds to the fish's stress making it more susceptible to any ailment. If you think about how many times a fish's environment has changed from being caught in the wild to your ending up in your tank it's amazing that so many make it. I say getting it into a stable system could only help.
I do understand this is you opinion, however this is totally a wrong approach. To say quarantine adds to stress is absolutely false. The entire purpose of QT is to provide a stress free environment ie no or few fish, great water. A fish cannot get a parasite from being QT'd, if it has the parasite it will show its presence in the time of the 4 week QT. Often fish will appear ickless, the parasite often hides in the fishes gills where you will not see it. A quarantine tank is a lot more stress free than your display.

QT is done by fish stores, wholesalers, zoo's, farms, hobbyist, you name it. The only way to ensure new fish does not introduce a parasite into a system is to properly QT. You risk all you fish every time you dont.
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Agreed, while it *may* increase overall stress of the fish in quarantine, it gives you the ability to ensure it is feeding and overall healthy. And any extra stress is short lived. Not to mention the huge factor of protecting ALL your other livestock from introduced disease or parasite.
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