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Old 08-19-2012, 02:08 PM   #31
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ZacksFlowerhorn123 stated he didn't quarantine!

Schism you state "QT is done by fish stores, wholesalers, zoo's, farms, hobbyist, you name it. The only way to ensure new fish does not introduce a parasite into a system is to properly QT." How is it ICH is still a problem?

I'm not saying don't quarantine, it's your tank. I don't quarantine and with 3 tangs and no ICH out breaks in 4 years, maybe I'm just lucky. It was explained to me by a LFS owner that ICH is like the common cold. It's always around and it attacks when the immune system is compromised. IMO every animal has parasites and you would have to kill the host to rid it of all parasites.

When I buy a fish I always ask to see it eat, watch for a few minutes, look at the health of the tank mates and the overall heath of the entire store.
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Old 08-19-2012, 09:02 PM   #32
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Ich is not always around. It's a safe assumption that it's being carried on most new additions (may or may not be there - but it's safer to assume it is). The life cycle of ich runs 4 cycles in 4-6 weeks then repeats. Only 1 in 4 stages are visible and once the cysts drop off, they hatch & spread through the tank.

The nice thing is that without a new introduction, ich will cease to propagate after about 11 months.
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Old 08-19-2012, 10:01 PM   #33
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ZacksFlowerhorn123 stated he didn't quarantine!

Schism you state "QT is done by fish stores, wholesalers, zoo's, farms, hobbyist, you name it. The only way to ensure new fish does not introduce a parasite into a system is to properly QT." How is it ICH is still a problem?
Unfortunately ich is still around because of how fish stores etc usually QT. Usually it involved only about a 2 week quarantine treating with copper. This will kill off free floating ich and the cysts however it will not take care of infected fish entirely, and is why we see ich in fish stores and our tanks.

And unfortunately some do not QT at all.

Ich is the very simple to cure and deal with, however becuase of the time and effort many are more willing to place bets on miracle cures instead. Some get lucky and most are fooled into thinking they 'cured' it with said product. If the ich doesnt fine a host it wont be able to reproduce. There are ways to build immune system to prevent infection but they are not guarantees.
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Old 08-19-2012, 11:26 PM   #34
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Welp the ich is gone.. I used blended garlic with some metronidazole and trace, as needed, and it worked perfectly. No sign of ich ever since... So yeah he fought it off and the metronidazole and trace worked.. Idk why everone says it doesnt work when it does. And i have a qt set up. I just didnt find the need to capture the tang and mess my whole tank up while stressing him.
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Old 08-19-2012, 11:32 PM   #35
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Focus not trace. But yeah it worked perfectly. Take that non believers!! Garlic i great for the human body too. So it makes sence.. Ppl that dont believe need to open up and quit being snobby.. He was getting worse and worse. Then i added that stuff and he fought the ich off for 2 days tillbit wasnt there anymore. I kept dosing and feeding the garlic for the whole week. Hes been perfectly fine so far. Im not being ignorant but even fintastic uses this method.. (huge fish store the size of an FAO Shwartz, in charlotte SC. They know wat they are doing! So yeah.. If i would of quarantined he would of died. He was already really stressed. Thanks for all the comments everyone and i did learn a few things from some posts! thank you!!!
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Old 08-19-2012, 11:49 PM   #36
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Focus not trace. But yeah it worked perfectly. Take that non believers!! Garlic i great for the human body too. So it makes sence.. Ppl that dont believe need to open up and quit being snobby.. He was getting worse and worse. Then i added that stuff and he fought the ich off for 2 days tillbit wasnt there anymore. I kept dosing and feeding the garlic for the whole week. Hes been perfectly fine so far. Im not being ignorant but even fintastic uses this method.. (huge fish store the size of an FAO Shwartz, in charlotte SC. They know wat they are doing! So yeah.. If i would of quarantined he would of died. He was already really stressed. Thanks for all the comments everyone and i did learn a few things from some posts! thank you!!!
Im sorry but ich has a 28 day incubation period, just because it fell off your tang does not mean its gone. Ich has 4 cycles. Learn them. The period where the ich is visible only lasts 3-7 days. Get ready for round 2.
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Hey Schism, why you arguing with these guys let them do and think what they want they'll find out soon enough
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This should sum up questions about marine ich and the life cycle....

http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ths-facts.html
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Old 08-20-2012, 12:27 AM   #39
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Hey Schism, why you arguing with these guys let them do and think what they want they'll find out soon enough
Not arguing, just informing. Id rather see the fish survive, so if i can beat the info into their heads, i will. Ich has to be one of the most researched topic on fish, if they would only read the facts and stop listening to all the 'treatment' hype then the cure will be pretty clear. And there are only 2 PROVEN......hypo-salinity or copper.

Its funny how many people ignore a absolute guarantee proven CURE.

An Ounce Of Prevention
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/20...ture/index.php

Marine Ich part 1
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-08/sp/index.php

Marine Ich part 2
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/20...ture/index.php

Garlic
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-10/sp/index.php
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your absolutly right. Nikki has a great post ther also
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