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Old 12-02-2005, 11:02 AM   #11
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Too early to tell one way or the other but let's hope it's just the sand. Keep reporting back as the days pass.

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Old 12-03-2005, 09:15 AM   #12
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saturday nothing that I can see. Has one little bump that looks like a pimple maybe. It's the size of a pin head, not white and under the skin.
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Old 12-03-2005, 12:31 PM   #13
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C. irritans does not necessarily need to be white or in plain sight. The trophonts can bury deeper in the epithelium where you won't see the typical bacterial "tufts" associated with them. In either case, this is still not concrete evidence for or against it's presence. From when you first noticed there may be a problem, the fish can be quickly infested or take several weeks. You'll just have to be patient and ensure you maintain good water quality and introduce no new items for the next while.

I hope you are getting that QT set up and ready just in case...?

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Old 12-05-2005, 09:10 AM   #14
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Monday morning. She has spots again. The other fish seem okay. except for irotic swimming sometimes. The clown without spots and the green chromis have been hanging out with the fire shrimp. I thought they were trying to take his territory. Duh They are proably getting him to clean them. All of the fish are still eating and are active. Is the garlic a waste of time? How often should I feed it any way?

Now I have to decide how to treat them? Do all the fish need to be treated or just the one in question?I will leave the main fallow irregardless, but should I put the healthy fish in a separate qt?

I still am not sure how I am gonna catch them? All of my fish sleep in the rocks or behind them. I am thinking about removing the rocks, catching the fish and then putting the rock back. I don't think there is any way to catch them with all that rock.

I hate this!!!!!!
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Old 12-05-2005, 11:03 AM   #15
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Is the garlic a waste of time? How often should I feed it any way?
That's the jist of the problem. No one can tell you what amount is needed, how often and for what duration. It has never been studied in that type of detail. To this day, it is still not known if it really does what anecdotal observation suggests. It is by no means proven or prefered as a treatment. That said, it can help as it is also an antioxidant. Foods should be soaked in a few drops daily to have any real effect but not on a permanent basis as it is not known what dose/duration starts to affect the liver and kidney.

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Now I have to decide how to treat them? Do all the fish need to be treated or just the one in question?I will leave the main fallow irregardless, but should I put the healthy fish in a separate qt?
The least stressful to them would be hyposalinity. If you decide on copper, use Cupramine, especially considering your fish species. If you have diagnosed it as C. irritans, you must leave the tank fallow for a period of 6-8 weeks. All fish must be removed and all should be treated equally.

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I still am not sure how I am gonna catch them? All of my fish sleep in the rocks or behind them. I am thinking about removing the rocks, catching the fish and then putting the rock back. I don't think there is any way to catch them with all that rock.
You'd be suprised how much easier it is to catch the fish after lights out and having low ambient room light. Knowing where the fish sleep and night just makes it that much easier. They can simpley be nudged out of their respective hideouts and will often swim right into your container. Most diurnal reef fish have very poor night vision.

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Old 12-06-2005, 08:59 AM   #16
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I didn't know that about the night vision. I will definately try that first.

All I have right now is a 10g tank for a qt. Will that be to hard to maintain the water with 5 fish. Should I get a rubbermaid tub instead? I will be really hard to observe the fish in there, With it be christmas time I can't really get a bigger tank. At 20g tank around here goes for about $80. I haven't been able to find a used one yet.

As far as cycling the new qt. Does bio-spira work? I am concerned about my chemicals going nuts in the qt. I am going to try the hypo-treatment. I have read several threads about people losing their fish because of a ph crash. How do you keep this from happening? I really want to go with this treatment but it does sound like it is alot harder to maintain the ph and water quality.

I am going to keep looking for a bigger tank and I am going to try to remove the fish this weekend.


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All I have right now is a 10g tank for a qt. Will that be to hard to maintain the water with 5 fish. Should I get a rubbermaid tub instead? I will be really hard to observe the fish in there, With it be christmas time I can't really get a bigger tank. At 20g tank around here goes for about $80. I haven't been able to find a used one yet.
A 10 gal would be fairly cramped. Shop around at a few hardware/dept stores. Many will have clear tote bins that can be used just the same. The container is not that important as long as it is food safe and you can observe the animals condition in proper detail.

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As far as cycling the new qt. Does bio-spira work? I am concerned about my chemicals going nuts in the qt.
What media is being used in the main tank? More commonly transfering that will be the best solution. The great thing about hyposalinity is you can use sorbant media's that will help improve water quality. Carbon, polyfilters and PARA pads can be a great aid in water quality. Water changes will still be your best solution in the short term. The biofilter will suffer in the beginning but will recover as long as pH, salinity and temp are maintained at a consistant level.

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I am going to try the hypo-treatment. I have read several threads about people losing their fish because of a ph crash. How do you keep this from happening? I really want to go with this treatment but it does sound like it is alot harder to maintain the ph and water quality.
The best suggestion there is be sure the RO water used to lower the salinity is buffered to the correct pH each time you use it. That goes for water changes as well. The more you can keep pH steady and not have to "repair" it along the way, the better time of it you will have. Proper room aeration and surface water movement will help as well.

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Old 12-07-2005, 09:28 AM   #18
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okay,so I went to the lfs yesterday to see if they had any used tanks for sale cheap and I told him what was going on and of course to make me doubt myself again he told me he didn't think I had Ick. I told him about how the spots were there really clead in the morning and you couldn't see them during the day and that I had been told that they in bed themselves deeper in the skin during the day. He said that he had never heard of that and any case of ick that he had treated the spots were always visable and there was no doubt what it was. Anyway he said that any time they have an out break they use a product called kick Ick. He said that it is safe for inverts and my lr. Do you know anything about this product? It is a little expensive. I was like $30 a bottle. I know that the lfs are in business to make money but these guys have always been pretty honest with me in the past. There the ones that originally told me I didn't need a high dollar filter if I had lr.

My fish had a few spots this morning but not as many as yesterday.

They are all still acting normal eating and active.

I will check out the hardware stores

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Old 12-07-2005, 10:24 PM   #19
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Crypt becomes more and more visible on the fish as the parasite reproduces and theront density increases with each new life cycle. It will not commonly remain unnoticed for long unless the fish has aquired some level of aquired immunity. Not the best thing in the long run really as it is usually short lived.

As far as the Kick ick, some have had limited success with it but the honest truth is it cannot be relied upon. More commonly the results are 50/50 in terms of effectiveness. To advise someone to use that kind of logic is IMO irresponsible. It would be like your doctor telling you you could take one medication and have a 50% chance of living or taking a proven remedy with 100% results. Which would you choose, easy answer I think ...

Is there any chance you have a digi camera and can post a clear pic? Still not convinced myself your actually seeing C. irritans.

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