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Old 08-22-2003, 04:27 PM   #21
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Ah, Fishfreek, u are right, it was Billyz who said that. Sorry for the misquote. And you are right, let us just put it to bed, I am sorry to rile everyones feathers. On to the topic!
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Old 08-22-2003, 04:42 PM   #22
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Macatua,

Thank you for clarifying - I know I am totally new to this board - but it is nice to know you were not attacking me. I had a hard time setting up my tank - and I got all kinds of advice on what and what not to do. There is so much conflicting advice out there. I think anyone setting up a sw tank needs to understand that you are correct, it takes PATIENCE - also - it is a process of trial and error!!! That's what makes tanks so wonderful!!! I'm still learning - I don't know much - but I want to learn as much as possible!!!

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Old 08-22-2003, 04:54 PM   #23
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I didn't realize this was going to be as controversial as it turned out to be. Really I just wanted to know if my list was realistic and complete as well as the rules of thumb to size these items by:

55 gal tank,
salt mix,
test kit (I don't know what I should be testing for though),
protein skimmer (I don't know how to size this),
argonite sand (4 inches),
60 lb dry rock (what type: old coral, lava rock?)
40 lb LR (do I add this before or after I cycle the tank?)
lights (I don't know what kind: assume it depends on critters)
filter (again, don't know the requirements)
550 gph power heads (minimum of 3?)

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Old 08-22-2003, 05:26 PM   #24
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test kits:
- FO tank:Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate, PH
- Reef tank: Calcium, Magnesium, Alkalinity, (some will say Iodine as well)
- (why do i feel like i missed something?)

Protien skimmer: size is basically based on the GPH of the recommended pump. You'll want one that has a GPH of about 2-3 times your tank size. (is that right folks?) anyway, most skimmers have a "for tanks up to" rating on them.

Dry Rock: old coral, you can find decent priced "base rock" online in lots of places.

Live rock: add the dry rock and live rock before the cycle, as it will actualy start the cycle for you.

lights: your right, depends on what you want. FO tanks only need lights to please you really, type doesn't matter so much for fish. For reef tanks thats when it gets really subjective based on what you're plan on housing. Do extensive reasearch here before purchasing as lights are big $$$.

Filter, if you're going to have a DSB and LR + skimmer, there's no real need for a filter.

for powerheads you're usualy looking for 10 times you tank size in water turnover per hour. so You're looking for about 550 GPH total. but I would reccomend not providing this with a single powerhead as you want to be sure water is moving all over your tank. (no dead spots) Personaly, I would go with 3 PHs of about 200 GPH each.

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Old 08-22-2003, 05:30 PM   #25
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Ah, I feel better now.

Anyway, i want to give a breakdown of how my tank set up.

55 gallon w/stand and canopy: $227 (On sale at PetSuppliesPlus)
Skilter 400 $54
2 Powerheads $55
Whisper 40 PF $27
2 heaters 100W $20
New bulbs for canopy $46
40 lbs Live Sand $46 (I didn't know about playsand)
20 lbs black marine sand $8
45 lbs baserock (LFS) $45
25 lbs LR $60
Test Kit (Aquarium Phar) $26
New Skimmer (courtesy LFS) $FREE
Last night at LFS
1 Bi-color Blenny, 6 Green Chromis $65
Net, Food
25 Hermits, 2 red crabs, 1 emerald crab $41
Stress Zyme (great stuff) $10
Patience $priceless

Haha. Anyway, all total I look to have spent about $730 and have the start of a very nice FOWLR, at least I think. I have probobly spent another $270 somewhere in there, so look at $1000 so far. Not to bad but I also spread it out over 2 months so far. I have tried to buy everything in excess and I plan on upgrading lighting soon, but I am FOWLR right now so LFS says I am ok for now. But there is a poor mans approach to a fun hobby.

(BTW, very soon I am considering some or all of the following,
Niger Trigger
Cinamon Clowns
Purple or Regal Tang)
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Old 08-22-2003, 05:32 PM   #26
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Include IO salt somoewhere in that additional $270!
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if you got all those fish last night, it should not be very soon that you are considering the other additions. Also, your tank is too small, WAY WAY too small for either of the tangs you are considering.

One of the other things that should be mentioned in this thread besides patience, is also RESEARCH...have the patience to research each fish purchase ahead of time and you will be rewarded greatly by minimal heartaches and loss of fish.
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oh my goodness

how could we have forgotten


An RO filter. An incredibly important part of any SW tank. +$150-300
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I have researched and quite frankly, the tangs will probobly never see my 55 gallon. The girlfriend wants a Dory fish, so we might start a bigger tank for the tangs and use the 55 as a coral tank later. But no time soon.

I also meant soon as a relative term. By no means did I mean very soon. Thanks for the warning though. I know a lot of people DO jump in like that and that is why SW fishkeeping is considered hard.
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I don't know why I typed very. I am such a dummy
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