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Old 02-19-2012, 12:00 PM   #11
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Is it still there? My dottyback had a white dot, but it turned out to be a piece of substrate (probably with some snail slime on) that got kicked up during a water change.
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Old 02-19-2012, 01:06 PM   #12
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Well she loves swimming in and out of the many holes i have in the rock.

I just live this fish shes so friendly.
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:57 AM   #13
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The dot is gone. It was prob an injury.

Thanks all!
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:39 PM   #14
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Ok im pretty sure its ick. I got off shift this am and he has a few spots.

This gamma is about 4" long. Will a 10 gallon tank work? 5 gallon tank water and 5 gallons RO water with low salt. I read the salt drop levels but im worried about the carpet and the few polyps.

This sucks **** petco!
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:52 PM   #15
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Ok im pretty sure its ick. I got off shift this am and he has a few spots.

This gamma is about 4" long. Will a 10 gallon tank work? 5 gallon tank water and 5 gallons RO water with low salt. I read the salt drop levels but im worried about the carpet and the few polyps.

This sucks **** petco!
10 gallon will work as a QT. Unfortunately you'll need to assume that all your fish are sick and treat them in a separate tank. Hyposalinity should be done slowly as I understand it. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe it's 6-8 weeks of running the main tank fallow to ensure that the ich is gone from the main.

As far as blaming the store... to be honest, we as hobbyists should assume that EVERY fish we buy has a low level infestation of ich. It shows itself once the fish is sufficiently stressed to weaken its immune system, to the point that the parasite gets the upper hand. I'm not saying that I have QT'd every fish I've added, but I should have- every time you add a fish straight to your display tank without a QT period and it works out, you've dodged a bullet.
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Old 02-20-2012, 07:07 PM   #16
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Yes its 6-8 weeks.

Im scrolling craigslist now for a tank.

Meanwhile i guess ill rearrange rock to keep me busy.

I know better i should have QT them.

I deserve it
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:05 PM   #17
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10 gallon will work as a QT. Unfortunately you'll need to assume that all your fish are sick and treat them in a separate tank. Hyposalinity should be done slowly as I understand it. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe it's 6-8 weeks of running the main tank fallow to ensure that the ich is gone from the main.

As far as blaming the store... to be honest, we as hobbyists should assume that EVERY fish we buy has a low level infestation of ich. It shows itself once the fish is sufficiently stressed to weaken its immune system, to the point that the parasite gets the upper hand. I'm not saying that I have QT'd every fish I've added, but I should have- every time you add a fish straight to your display tank without a QT period and it works out, you've dodged a bullet.

I have another idea want to run it by you. I have three fish. A carpet, mushroom and a few poylps. What if i transferred the inverts out and kept the fish in and dosed the fish.

At this point catching them will be a mess. It would have been FO but hubby brought these inverts home.

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Old 02-20-2012, 08:08 PM   #18
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I'll assume you have LR in there too...good assumption i think. That makes it a bad idea. Ich meds are copper based. If they aren't, they won't do anything. The copper will not only kill inverts and harm corals, but it will leach into your rock and come out at random times to kill everything but the fish in your tank. There are ways to remove copper...but why go through the trouble when you can just have an empty QT tank?
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Ok.

So it looks like i will be taking all the rock out again and chasing fish.

Fun
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I read this....

Ones a medical method the other a tree hugger.

Which one?


Treatment Option 1 - Copper:

Copper is a highly effective medication against Cryptocaryon irritans when dosed and maintained in the proper concentration. The references I found varied in their recommended dosage:

Andrews et al, 1988: 0.15-0.30 mg/l
Bassleer, 1996: 0.25-0.30 mg/l
Gratzek et al, 1992: 0.115-0.18 mg/l
Noga, 2000: 0.15-0.20 mg/l
Untergasser, 1989: 0.15-0.20 mg/l*
*(recommends to be used with Methylene Blue)

I am going to abbreviate my advice and simply suggest to: "Always follow the directions of the manufacturer of whichever brand of copper medication you employ, and always use a test kit to verify the dosages." Copper has a narrow range of effectiveness and levels must be monitored at least daily.

Copper has several disadvantages in treating Ich. First, at too low a dosage, it is ineffective. Secondly, at too high a dosage, it could kill all your fish. Daily, or better yet twice daily, testing is required to maintain an appropriate and consistent level of copper. Even when within the appropriate ranges, some fish cannot tolerate copper. Some of the fish more sensitive to copper are lionfish, pufferfish, mandarins, blennies, and any other scaleless fish. Copper is also a known immunosuppressive, making fish more susceptible to secondary infections. Invertebrates are extremely sensitive to copper and cannot be housed in a tank undergoing this treatment. Lastly, copper cannot be used in the presence of any calcareous media. Live rock, sand, crushed coral, and dead coral skeletons will all adsorb copper, rendering it useless a treatment.

Copper specifically targets the infectious, free-swimming theront stage of this disease, as being buried deep in the skin of the host protects the trophonts; the cyst walls of the tomonts are similarly impervious (Colorni & Burgess, 1997). Knowing this and the life cycle of Cryptocaryon irritans, monitoring and dosing as needed in the evening right before the lights go out is going to be the most effective method. This should ensure optimal treatment concentrations at the most beneficial time.

Copper is probably the most popular method of treating Cryptocaryon irritans, but is not my first choice. It is far too labor intensive for me to recommend to the general public, has a large risk of overdose, lowers the fish's resistance to other diseases, and can cause serious damage to the kidney, liver, and beneficial intestinal flora of the fish being treated. Damage to intestinal flora is what many hobbyists point to as a possible contributing cause for Head and Lateral Line Erosion (HLLE), although there is currently no definitive cause of HLLE.

Treatment Option 2 - Formalin:

Formalin can be administered one of two ways; either in short dips with saltwater or used continually in a hospital tank. The dosage for the continuous use is 1 ml of the 37% stock solution for every 25 gallons of quarantine tank water (Bassleer, 1996). I prefer the formalin dip to continuous use because formalin is a fairly toxic compound. Also, with no commercially available test kits to monitor the concentration, it would be difficult to dose an entire tank and account for evaporation, absorption, etc.

To prepare the dip, I take 5 gallons of tank water and add to it 3.75 ml of 37% formalin. I also aerate the water vigorously to ensure there is maximum dissolved oxygen. The dip should last 30 to 60 minutes. As when using any medication, it is best to monitor the fish's reaction and be prepared to act if it appears in distress. When the dip is complete, net the fish, place it back into the hospital tank, and discard the dip water. This protocol should be repeated every other day for two weeks.

I would like to remind readers of a few precautions regarding the use of formalin. First, it is a carcinogen. Formalin is an aqueous solution of carcinogenic formaldehyde gas, so gloves should be worn and the area should be well ventilated when using it. Secondly, formalin should not be used if fish have open sores, wounds, or lesions. It is likely to cause tissue damage to these open wounds. And lastly, formalin can rob the water of dissolved oxygen. That is why proper aeration is so crucial. For that reason, do not use formalin if the water temperature is 82*F or higher (Noga, 2000 and Michael, 2002).
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