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Old 07-14-2003, 10:19 AM   #31
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That type of activity usualy stresses the fish a great deal. But as i said, i have not seen any signs of ick.
Stress does not cause ich. Stress reduces the effectiveness of the fishs' natural immune system.

Once the parasite has been eliminated it cannot come back unless introduced. The only way to prevent re-introduction is to QT everything when purchasing anything that came from a tank containing fish.

C irritans cannot survive without a fish host but it can be transmitted via the tomont (cyst) where the parasite attaches to a solid structure like substrate, coral rock base, live rock and so on. Plus obviously any new fish.

The chances of infection due to the tomont are rare but there is still the chance.

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Steve,

I understand all this, but you have to understand why i started this thread.

This thread is a log that I have been keeping for other reefers to see my success or failure in using this controversial product. I am NOT staying that stress causes ich, just that stress IS a catalyst for the infestation. If you look back in some of the other posts, you will see that the theory of treating ich has been reviewed and duly noted.

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I have dosed my tank with a product (No-Ich) to remove the parasite. It is said to be non-effective by many people. I have not QT the fish, dosed the tank with copper, nor have i used hyposalinity, the "Only proven methods" for fighting ich. What I have done is dose my main tank with No-Ich according to the directions stated on the bottle, and soak the fish food in garlic guard.

The reason the last post was entered was to show that I have finished treating the tank with No-Ich 1 week ago, and I have caused a great deal of stress in the last few days to my fish. Luckily, I have not seen a re-infestation of ich.

I leave it open to debate:

-Did the No-Ich work?
Possibly. I had a fish that looked like he was near death (TuskFish) when I started dosing my tank. He is healthy now, and eating veraciously.

-Did feeding garlic to the fish help?
I'd say that it didn't hurt. I didnít see any change in the eating habits of the tang or the tusk when I started using the garlic. My eel will not touch any food that has been soaked in garlic however.

-Did the fish develop an "immunity" to ich? I don't like to use the word immunity when discussing a parasitic infestation. Did the fish develop a slime coat that repelled the ich more efficiently (i think is a better question), naturally?
I don't know.

-Did No-Ich hurt any of the other tank inhabitants?
No. Everything, all of my inverts, are still alive and healthy.

I do not plan on adding any more fish to this tank, so I will keep a close eye on its inhabitants. If I see another out break of ich, I will know for sure that the No-Ich product is a failure. However, if I do not see anything in the next 2 - 3 weeks, I will be able to say that it is possible that No-Ich actually did what it claims to do.
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Old 07-14-2003, 10:47 AM   #32
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Tell me more about No-Ich Marine

I have a similar problem with my new reef tank. Wondering how the no-ich marine is working? Is the ich gone...are there any questionable results with your inverts? PLEASE give me an update.
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Old 07-14-2003, 10:55 AM   #33
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I have a similar problem with my new reef tank. Wondering how the no-ich marine is working? Is the ich gone...are there any questionable results with your inverts? PLEASE give me an update.
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Scott,
I canít tell you for sure that the No-Ich is working or not. What I can tell you is that I do not believe that it has harmed anything in the tank. Read, the rest of the posts from the beginning, I have tried to be as thorough as possible.
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Old 07-14-2003, 11:41 AM   #34
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Stresco, I have read the thread and think it's great contribution. I did not intend to detract from your efforts I was just hoping to clarify that last post concerning stress. The way it was worded made it sound as if stress can cause ich. Since that was not the intension, then my bad

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-Did the No-Ich work?
Possibly. I had a fish that looked like he was near death (TuskFish) when I started dosing my tank. He is healthy now, and eating veraciously.
I have used the Ecolibrium product myself with the same results.

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-Did feeding garlic to the fish help?
I'd say that it didn't hurt. I didnít see any change in the eating habits of the tang or the tusk when I started using the garlic. My eel will not touch any food that has been soaked in garlic however.
I would suggest that garlic did indeed aid in the success. The active ingredient allicin is a great repellant to C irritans. As well it will aid in promoting the fish's appetite. The eel is highly resitant to these kinds of problems and will in most cases not be a problem. Mine never touched garlic or vitamin soaked foods either.

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-Did the fish develop an "immunity" to ich? I don't like to use the word immunity when discussing a parasitic infestation. Did the fish develop a slime coat that repelled the ich more efficiently (i think is a better question), naturally?
I don't know.
At the very least it would be a contributor.

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-Did No-Ich hurt any of the other tank inhabitants?
No. Everything, all of my inverts, are still alive and healthy.
Agreed, when I used it my tank had 3 cukes as well as many other sensative animals/corals with no losses.

Best of luck with your future plans....

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Thanks Steve, and i wish you the same.
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Sorry to bring an old subject back up, but did this product "appear" to work for you? Basically did your fishes become infested again?
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So far so good. I guess i was one of the lucky ones. I have not had an infestation of ich since.

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