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Old 09-29-2004, 09:31 AM   #1
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First bout with Ick

I believe my Royal Gramma has ick. I'd noticed over the past few days that she's been scratching on the PVC fittings (she's in QT for about a week and a half now now and I didn't realize this was a bad sign until now), and just last night I finally noticed spots. She doesn't look too good - laying on the bottom, breathing infrequently. I immediately started lowering the salinity. I'm down to about 1.017 (I stopped when I read I should be doing this slowly).

I also read that this shouldn't be fatal, but this looks pretty bad right now. I am surprised, since I hadn't noticed any spots until yesterday.

Anyway, I will lower salinity to 1.009 tonight, and try to find some cupramine and a copper test kit. Anything else I should do at this point? Is there a better temperature for treatment? Currently I'm at 81 degrees.

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Old 09-29-2004, 10:03 AM   #2
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You should not combine the two treatments. Sinceyou already started lowering the salinity, I would continue with that. The temp seems fine. Being a little warmer will speed up the life cycle of the parasite. I HATE ICH!!!

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PS. I would go ahead and get the cupramine and test for future occurences, and just in case what your doing now doesnt work. It should work if it is done right. Do you have a refractometer?
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Another thought, if he is in that bad a shape, you may want to skip the hypo and go right to the cuprmaine. The seachem multitest kit is a must to keep proper levels of meds.
If you go this rout, you could start it right away and slowly raise the spg over the next few days. Honestly with the symtoms you desribe, I would also consider that it may be velvet. Cupramine would have you covered in either case.
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Old 09-29-2004, 11:39 AM   #4
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Agree with Quarry 100%, he should not be that bad if it's just the beginning of ICH. I would start a copper treatment now, raise the SG slowly back to normal as you do the next few water changes. These will be nessesary anyway as the biofilter will be nuked with copper. You can also replace evaporated water with sw. Act fast though, changes in breathing can be a bad sign. Keep us posted...
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I started the hypo because I wanted to try something immediately and wasn't 100% sure I could get the meds and test kit today (only one store I know of where I live carries that kind of stuff).

Does velvet manifest as small white dots? I thought it looks rusty.

Oh, and I do have a refractometer (thankfully).
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It's the other symtoms that concern me. That sound more like velvet. When my fish came down, there were some white spots or misting on the fins. Like I said, with the cupramine, you got it covered either way. Hypo is not effective with velvet.
Cupramine seems to be available just about everywhere, its the test kit that can be hard to find. I happen to have a test kit I am not using, I could UPS it to you if need be.
You could start the dose by following the directions, by the time you would get to full dosage, the test kit could be there.
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Awesome gesture Qhark! Your the man! Also if you need some med. I can send you some of that as well. Only one store in my area carried cupramine.
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Thanks, all! It's lunchtime and I'm off to the store to check it out.
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BAck, with test kit and cupramine in hand. I'll begin treatment when I get home.
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Excellent, best of luck to you.!!
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