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Old 05-03-2005, 12:51 PM   #1
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fish dying help

two days ago I lost my coral beauty angle and today my auriga butterfly. they were just laying on the bottom no signs of spots or anything on them.
my water is ro. do 15 -20g water change every week
ph 8.0
nitrite-0
ammonia-0
sg .21
temp-78-79
natrate 80 can't seem to get this down no matter what I try.
I just did some rearanging and added a large dead rock to tank last week.
they are all eating well and no fighting going on.
any suggestions?
tank is 120g been upand runing about 3 month.
I was using io salt but lfs was out so I changed to oceanic
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1 blue tang
1 blonde naso
1 maroon clown
1 damsels
1 puffer

50 hermit crabs

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3" sandbed toped with crushed coral
2 overflows going to two bio towers and a 15 g sump
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Old 05-04-2005, 03:30 AM   #2
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Hmm, that is a lot of fish, even for a 120g. Could have been overstocked, causing stress to the fish and biofilter. Especially with a tank only 3 months old...

That tank should have 120-200lb LR and a skimmer! Start with a good water change and remember 1" fish per 5g of tank. Also, some of the fish may eventually eat the clowns and damsels.

Sorry for the losses, try to learn from this.
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Old 05-04-2005, 08:12 AM   #3
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Crushed coral and too many fish too soon IMHO. Huge number of fish, and some big eaters you got there. I belive you can expect more problems soon.
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Old 05-04-2005, 09:01 PM   #4
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tank is 120g been upand runing about 3 month.
This is likely your problem. Your tank is simply too young for that kind of bioload. This would explain the nitrate issue. I would seriously consider thining the livestock list and adding another 100lbs of LR. You need more biological filtration if you plan to keep a fish load like that in the future. The CC is not really helping things but with regualr vacuuming it should not cause that big of a problem. Sorry to sound so negative...just shooting you straight.
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Sounds like they say just was not ready for that bio load. You might want to think about a bigger sump. I have a 40 gallon sump refugium. Great for getting rid of nitrates. I`m guessing that with a 15 sump you must have a wet dry. I call them a nitrate factory. I`m sorry about your loss. Just go slow for a while. It will be worth it. Good Luck
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Old 05-06-2005, 03:26 PM   #7
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Your headed for wipeout. Way to many fish for even a well established 120 with a lot of rock. I would take back the trigger, puffer, one clown and the 5 damsels and get credit from where you bought them. Just my opinion. 8O
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I noticed you didn't put sizes down on the fish, so maybe hopefully you have smaller sized fish. I agree in a young tank, its quite abit of fish. On the other hand a store credit really stinks after you bought everything. Did you make a qt tank?
Perhaps you could shelter a couple of fish there till the bioload catches up. If you didn't maybe you could buy one now. Don't get too crazy in the qt tank, if you search the site you'll find recommendations for things for a qt tank. You could also get more liverock, but a cheaper alternative without spiking your tank with more ammonia, nitrite or nitrate is to get base rock. This will turn into lr after awhile in you tank.
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thanks for all the help. and yes all the fish are rather small about 26" in all . I have slowed down and when the puffer get to big I will take him back to lfs. have been adding base rock a little at a time . yes I do have a qt if thing get any worse will transfer some to qt for a while.
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1 blue tang
1 blonde naso
1 maroon clown
1 damsels
1 puffer

50 hermit crabs

70lbs rock
3" sandbed toped with crushed coral
2 overflows going to two bio towers and a 15 g sump
diy tank built into the wall.
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I was just sitting here adding up the potential growth of all the fishes in your tank.
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Har Tusk- 6 Inches
Blue tang- 8 inches
Yel Tang- 5 Inches
blonde naso- 8 Inches
2 Marroon Clowns- 8 Inches
clown trigger- 7 Inches
5 Damsels- 10 Inches
Puffer- 5 Inches

Close to 60 Inches of fish (70 Inches is more likely for the compensation of the robust size of most of these fish in adulthood) in a 120 Gal (In probably less then 2 years)

You might want to start shopping for a 240 Gal 8O 8O 8O
Believe me, I am not trying to add insult to injury, I just want to keep you from heading to a bad path. How long have you had all these fish together and how is the agression in the tank? You had a coral beauty and auriga in addition to this list?
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Wet Dry w/Amiracle Skimmer
[Bio Balls/1lbs. slow drip Carbon]
9 Watt UV Ster.
100lbs. Live Rock (Fiji,Tonga Br)
125lbs. Aragonite Base
Maculosus Angel~Yellow Tang~Flame Hawk~Canary Blenny~Pajama Cardinal~Bl Yel Tl Damsel~Brittle Star

10 Gallon Sea Clear Acrylic est. 7-05
Whisper HOB w/carbon+ 1 rio 400 PH
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