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Old 01-19-2009, 01:19 AM   #41
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I think just slowing down might yield different results. Personally, I think you're just adding too much, too fast. Even with a cycled tank, you need to increase the bioload slowly. I think if you just add a fish a month, and give them a 4 week quarantine period in a separate tank, you'd see different results.
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Old 01-19-2009, 02:19 AM   #42
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I agree with Kurt. You need to slow it down. I made that mistake too, I wanted it all and I wanted it now. You should consider taking the anenomes back, I dont believe you have adequate lighting or a mature enough tank yet. Just my $.02
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Old 01-19-2009, 12:25 PM   #43
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A freshwater bacteria colony can certainly be stored the way you're talking about, provided you add ammonia regularly to keep it fed. I don't know if you have the same species of bacteria in your saltwater, and even if they are I assume they would do something to acclimate to the salinity, so I would expect a rapid change from full salt to DI water would kill pretty much anything with an osmotic membrane.

Have all these fish been getting the same food?
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Old 01-19-2009, 07:17 PM   #44
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That's a thought...the food...also...how far from your tank is the washing machine? I have read on sites about people having to move their cat's litter pans due to the ammonia...I had to basically quit using bleach myself..

Can't stop thinking about your poor tank, Deb...just thinking of different things...I do agree with the guys that you must add stock slowly though as I made that goof myself a few years ago. I just can't understand the absense of ammonia...when I cured my LR in a Brute...I had to change the water the next day and the day after because ammonia was off the charts...and when I added it 3 weeks later to the tank, it did a quick cycle in there..this is really a stumper...sure hope someone can solve it.

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Old 01-20-2009, 01:11 AM   #45
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Thank you all for the good advice. You may be right about adding the fish too fast... I'm just so use to fresh water... I could add five at a time, do daily water changed for a week or two to keep ammonia down, and everyone would be perfectly fine without the slightest problem.

Just as an update... of the two clowns I got, one died this morning. When I was pulling him out, I noticed the second one was breathing faster. I snatched him up and put him in a QT tank and put some melafix in... I didn't know what else to do and that treats a whole host of different things, so I figured it couldn't hurt the situation. He's not looking any worse now, but he isn't looking any better either.

Innovator sent me a PM with a pretty good suggestion that I think I'm going to try... He suggested taking a spare tank (a cheap 10 gal petco kit I got several months back in my case), thoroughly cleaning it out (obviously without soap or any of that), and putting RO/DO water mixed with salt and set to the same pH as my main tank. Use the raw shrimp method to get the cycle going, then take a couple blue damsels and put them in to see what happens. If nothing goes awry in a week, then take some live rock from the main tank and put it in. If all goes well, then maybe some sand from the main tank and basically keep going until the fish start looking unhappy and then I have found the culprit.

At this point... that really seems like the only plausible way to solve this thing.
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Did you use new water for the sick fish, or just tank water? Since it's already sick its death in clean water won't rule anything out, but it would be good to know if he made a quick recovery in new water.

Stocking slowly is good advice in general for fish health and also to limit the work required from you, but I don't buy for a minute that overstocking is what caused your problem given the frequency of water tests.
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It's possible you are getting something from your water....do you have a copper test? I would definitely do one on your tap water. How old is your house? Older pipes and water systems can certainly bring in metals. I would rule it out.

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He said he's running it through an RO unit, which should rule that out.
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I used tank water for the sick fish. I didn't want him to have the stress of acclimating to new water on top of everything else so I figured the old water may be whats best, even though he got sick in that to begin with.

As of this morning, his breathing has slowed down just a hair, but it's still way too fast and now he's swimming toward the top of his QT tank getting air from the surface. He's swimming fairly normally (other than being at the top). There is no excrement in the tank which makes me thing he's not eating too well (usually when I put a fish in the QT tank overnight theres some sort of waste).

I'm off to do an ammonia test on the QT tanks water to rule that out as a reason for him swimming at the top.
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Stocking slowly is good advice in general for fish health and also to limit the work required from you, but I don't buy for a minute that overstocking is what caused your problem given the frequency of water tests.
Are oxygen tests being performed? I'm not just talking about ammonia...

There are hundreds of parameters that effect fish/coral health, and as hobbiests we only test for literally a handful. And we don't really understand how those things we don't test for can come into play in our tanks. Normally... people stock tanks slowly and they don't have problems. Normally... when people stock tanks fast, they have problems.

I don't claim to know exactly what the problem is, but it sure seems like the absolute simplest thing to do is slow down. While freshwater tanks and saltwater tanks are similar, they're also very different in their tolerance for mistakes.
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