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Old 10-06-2009, 11:13 PM   #1
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Angry FWIW im done

ok heres the deal, i just ended the 8 week quarantine tank period for ich with copper. I lost a few fish on the way but i made it. Ive been down the ich road many times but i thot this would end it. a couple days later i think i see my butterfly fish and tang with very small white dots. There extremely small but i think it may be ich, i could be overeacting. MY family and i already agreed we cannot do anything else, and i still havent told them yet since it would crush them and it may not be definite. If it is ich the fish will sadly have to either live or die since we cannot do another quarantine thing for a 4th time. IF it is ich is there any possible way to kill it off early. I know garlic helps the fish and i have been using it for almost 2 years and it seems to do nothing. Advice needed for an aquarist about to give up i also have cleaner shrimp but they havent had much of an effect.
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I know garlic helps the fish and i have been using it for almost 2 years and it seems to do nothing.
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If you do keep them in the main make sure of pristine water conditions. This will keep stress to a minimum and hopefully give them a chance. QT and treatment would be better.
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I know quarantine would be better but I can't, sad but true, im just looking for options to give my fish a fighting chance incase im right.
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Also thankyou for the garlic link. Advice still needed and wanted.
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Well do like I said then about frequent PWC`s and pristine water conditions for them to have a chance.
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If you are not going to qt again then all you can do is a fw dip, add them to the tank, and feed a varied nutritional diet. As melosu said, keeping your water quality from degrading is important whether there is disease or not. You can add garlic once weekly along with a Vit. supplement such as Selco. Some recommend Vit. C/B as well. If you do not want to go through another 4wk. qt period (hyposalinity > copper imo) and willing to pay (alot), nothing beats Chloroquine for Crypt (Ich), Amly (Velvet), and Turbellarian (worm) infestations.
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Innovator, I have never done a fw dip, so how do you do it properly. Also I have zoe, zoecon and vitamin c, will this work as well as selcon? Also what is Chloroqine? I will look it up but I would also like to hear your opinion on it.
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It's pretty simple really, just clean a 5g bucket and add about 2g of freshwater. You can use ro, rodi, filtered water, etc. If you use tap make sure you dechlorinate it. Test the pH and make sure it is within range of your saltwater tank (7.8-8.2 depending on your numbers). Also make sure the temperatures are within means, +/-2F. It never hurts to add a drop or two of Prime if you have it on hand. Aerate the water using either an airstone or rigid airline tubing. Once the pH and temperatures are within range, add your fish. They will stress for the first 10 seconds, but begin to relax and return to a normal breathing rate. DO NOT WALK AWAY!!! Monitor the animal for an excessive stress (freaking out) or increased/labored breathing. If the animal begins to show signs then take it out and place it into its destined tank. Usually most fw dips range anywhere from 2-15mins. 5mins is a good gauge. Not sure what exactly is in Zoe or Zoecon (site doesn't state specifically) so I'd stick with Zoe and you can add Vit. C (liquid) to food mixes or soak nori. About 1.5ml should be enough of both.

Chloroquine is expensive, I warn you, but is widely used in public aquariums and associations to eradicate ich, velvet, and turbellarians.
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How affective would you say fw dips are?
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Just curious why treating the fish in the quarantine isn't an option?

Seems to me that treating the fish with hyposalinity is a no-cost option and gives you a chance of being rid of it for good.
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