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Old 02-23-2008, 11:11 AM   #1
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I got a new maroon clown fish a 7 days ago.Thats the one i told you guys a couple days ago.She got that white spot on the side.It does not look like ich.Its more like something alse.But anyway now she stoped eating.I have her in quarantine tank.What can i do to convince her to eat?Every body is talking about guarlic guard.I bought one.But when i put some flakes in it they guarlic just make them almost gone.frozen brine shrimps they seem to spread in that tea spoon with garlic and theres nothing to put in unles you throw all that spoon with garlic and shrimps.What i am doing wrong?What is the right food and right way to do it.Please heip.Thanks.
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Try it on dry seaweed (Nori) or dry the brine shrimp in a paper towel then soak it in the garlic. When I see any fish scratch it's self, I put it directly in the water a little at a time (once a day) and on the food. If it is Ich, moving the fish to a quarantine tank causes more stress that lowers it's immune system. IMO garlic extreme works best.
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You're only supposed to use a couple drops of Garlic Guard. Frozen brine are not very nutritious unless they have been fortified (gut loaded) before being frozen. Frozen Mysis shrimp would be better.

Is your QT tank cycled? Keep checking the water parameters and be prepared with water changes. I have found that pristine water conditions help fish fight off many diseases. Daily water changes of 20% in a QT tank are helpful in that regard.
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I agree with Cmor, I put a few drops of the garlic guard (there are directions on the container about drops vs. gallons) in when I am thawing out my frozen, I also add Zoe and Selcon for added nutrient's.
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Keep checking the water parameters and be prepared with water changes. I have found that pristine water conditions help fish fight off many diseases. Daily water changes of 20% in a QT tank are helpful in that regard.


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...If it is Ich, moving the fish to a quarantine tank causes more stress that lowers it's immune system. IMO garlic extreme works best.
Can't agree with this and not comment on it in case someone else comes by and reads this thread.

Garlic will not cure ich. And proven methods to kill off ich (hyposalinity, copper) are very bad to carry out in the main tank if you have anything but a fish only system. Yes... moving a fish to a QT will stress it, but the alternative is a long drawn out stressful life for it while it deals with attack after attack of ich. Unless it dies in which it's not too stressed at that point. It's kind of like not taking a person with a heart attack to the hospital because they stress out around doctors and stress isn't good for their heart.

To the original poster... what size quarantine tank? If it's only a 10g or so, don't use more than a drop of the garlic with whatever frozen food you use. I've found more than that in a 10g seems to confuse the fish. (Don't attempt using it with flake. Major mess!) Agree with mysis.
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If a fish has ich, then the system is infected. Removing the fish to treat it is like giving a dog a flea bath, but not treating it's bedding. When the affected fish is cured and it's placed into the same system it will get ich again if it survives.

From the label of Garlic Xtreme "If fish are not eating, Garlic Xtreme maybe also added to the aquarium at the rate of 1 drop per 10 gallons." I used a 1 ounce bottle to ward off a ich attach in a 180 gallon aquarium. A few weeks later after adding new fish it started again. Unable to find any Garlic Xtreme at any LFS I used Garlic Guard (8.5 fl oz) with little change. I then returned to Garlic Xtreme with success.

The label on the Garlic Guard states "Guaranteed Analysis (Amounts per 1 g (gallon ?)) Garlic extract ......10 mg."

The label on the Garlic Xtreme states "99% Allium Sativum Extract".

While it has been stated many times on this site Garlic Will not cure ich. IMO if you can catch it early enough, Garlic Xtreme will boost the immune systems of the fish, allowing them to survive it's affects.
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Ezy33 I agree 110%, garlic has not been proven to cure ich. I have read that is can help to boost the immune systems of the fish. I soak all my frozen with garlic guard, Zoe and Selcon.
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If a fish has ich, then the system is infected. Removing the fish to treat it is like giving a dog a flea bath, but not treating it's bedding. When the affected fish is cured and it's placed into the same system it will get ich again if it survives.
You are correct. That's why you need to remove ALL fish from the main system, put them in a QT, and treat them to remove the parasites that are on the fish, either with hyposalinity or copper meds. While that is happening, you let your main system stay fishless for 8 weeks. Without fish host, the ich parasite die and you main system is ich free after that 8 weeks.

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From the label of Garlic Xtreme "If fish are not eating, Garlic Xtreme maybe also added to the aquarium at the rate of 1 drop per 10 gallons." I used a 1 ounce bottle to ward off a ich attach in a 180 gallon aquarium.
"Warding off an attack" is not the same as ridding yourself of ich. The life cycle of the parasite comes and goes over a 7-10 day period. That's why many folks often think they've rid themselves of it, when in reality they're just in between reproduction stages of the little bugger.

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A few weeks later after adding new fish it started again.
As should be expected.

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Unable to find any Garlic Xtreme at any LFS I used Garlic Guard (8.5 fl oz) with little change. I then returned to Garlic Xtreme with success.

The label on the Garlic Guard states "Guaranteed Analysis (Amounts per 1 g (gallon ?)) Garlic extract ......10 mg."

The label on the Garlic Xtreme states "99% Allium Sativum Extract".
"garlic extract" and "allium sativum extract" are one in the same. One may be more concentrated than the other, but neither "cure" ich.

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While it has been stated many times on this site Garlic Will not cure ich. IMO if you can catch it early enough, Garlic Xtreme will boost the immune systems of the fish, allowing them to survive it's affects.
Survive... maybe. In your case, obviously they did. Cure it... no. It's still in your system. You even point that out in your first paragraph. Why not treat it properly and be rid of it for good?

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Marine Ich/Cryptocaryon irritans - A Discussion of this Parasite and the Treatment Options Available, Part II by Steven Pro - Reefkeeping.com
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Well i thought I would chime in on this discussion as well. Early on in my 75 gal My hippo tang defiantly got a pretty bad ich outbreak (three different times to be exact) and in my case soaking his food in garlic and selcon did something because I havent saw a sign of ich since and it has been 5 months since the last outbreak. Just thought I would share my story, even though I know most people dont believe garlic will work.
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