HELP... - Aquarium Advice

future · 01-27-2006, 11:09 PM

i have a 65 gallon tank.. i believe i have ich and i dont know what to do.. i got an eel, a trigger and a hawkfish that seem to be ok (still eating) for now.. my puffer who looks really bad, a wrasse and a damsel who i havent seen eat in a couple of days... my puffer is discolored and my wrasse and damsel have white dots on them... wrasse doesnt move much just sits on the bottom of my tank... my damsel swims more then the others but sometimes sits underneath some live rock. it looks like hes eating but nothing like he use to. i just did a water change yesterday and another one today.. i tested my water the results i got were

really low ammonia, [acronym:8dbb596fb0="power head or Measure of the concentration of hydrogen ions, depending on context"]ph[/acronym:8dbb596fb0] was about 8.2-8.4 and it seems like there is no nitrate or nitrite...

what should i do.

this morning i lost my other wrasse(different type) and my dwarf lion

what do i need to do to get a good aquarium and keep my fish alive

Brenden · 01-27-2006, 11:51 PM

You had a eel, trigger, hawkfish, puffer, 2 wrasse, damsel and a lion fish in a 65 with [acronym:da5ca32293="Ammonia"]NH3[/acronym:da5ca32293] in the water.

That is the start of your problem. How old is this tank? First you need to remove any traces of [acronym:da5ca32293="Ammonia"]NH3[/acronym:da5ca32293] from the water. In desperate cases Amquel or similar will help. Are you are sure the spots are ich and not infections due to poor water quality? Can you post a pic of the spots? If it is definitely ich I recommend hypo. Looking at your fish list it is a good guess that you have no crabs, shrimp etc. Check this thread started just today.
http://www.aquariumadvice.com/viewto...=70683&start=0
They are going to treat ich in a no invert tank with hypo.
Here is info on hypo:
http://www.petsforum.com/personal/tr...osalinity.html
PS. you are going to have a really hard time maintaining water quality with that bio-load.

TCTFish · 01-28-2006, 12:02 AM

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-08/sp/index.php

The above site will help become informed on ich and how to deal with it. I am going to focus on what I can see to be stress factors that can lower a fish's immunity and make them more suceptible to ich and other ailments.

The 65 gallon tank is way too small for the population and some of the species you have. Triggers are large and highly aggressive predators and demand their space. Depending on the species of wrasse and their adult size, also need lots of open swimming space. Puffers also, depending on species, get fairly large.

"Really low ammonia" can be too much and start poisoning the fish especially if the pH doesn't go down. The ammonia needs to be under control and stable at zero.

Once you have the info you need and treatments are done, I'd suggest you think about what you can keep in the tank that won't outgrow it or cause stress among the other inhabitants of the tank.

Keep on changing water...about 10% once a week should be fine. If ammonia levels continue to show, then do the changes twice a week. If nittrite and nitrates are zero, you shouldn't need to do this for too long. Cut back on feeds a little until everything is under control.

How long has the tank been running with fish in it?
How much and how often do you feed?
What type of filter do you have?
How often and how much water do you normally change?
Can you list the fish in order of introduction, please?
What is the [acronym:416286ea75="Specific gravity"]SG[/acronym:416286ea75]?
What temp is the tank set at?

future · 01-28-2006, 01:41 AM

How long has the tank been running with fish in it? for a month or 2
How much and how often do you feed? i feed my fish once a day, my eel every 2 or 3
What type of filter do you have? magnum 350 and a protein skimmer in the sump
How often and how much water do you normally change? 20-30% every 2 weeks
Can you list the fish in order of introduction, please? damsel first, then i pot my puffer and hawk, two weeks later, then the eel month later and the wrasse a week after the eel.
What is the [acronym:309649d3c4="Specific gravity"]SG[/acronym:309649d3c4]? 1.020
What temp is the tank set at? 77-78

future · 01-28-2006, 01:42 AM

no i dont have any ammonia in the water, sorry thats what i ment

demodiki · 01-28-2006, 11:15 AM

As requested, you are going to have to give a lot more information. Please post the exact numbers of your test results.

Hara · 01-28-2006, 12:09 PM

Along with the information that has already been given to you such as overcrowding etc, I will also add that you do not have near enough filtration for that tank even if it had a low bioload, which it does not. I will retract that comment if you say you have about 150 lbs of liverock in there, but I dont see that mentioned.

future · 01-28-2006, 12:09 PM

[acronym:9c8aad839d="power head or Measure of the concentration of hydrogen ions, depending on context"]ph[/acronym:9c8aad839d]=8.2-8.4
ammonia was 0
nitrite = 0
and nitrate=0

future · 01-28-2006, 12:27 PM

i decided to make a quarantine tank. im gonna get stuff to make it today, i cant just throw my fish in there? what do i do for the water? im gonna put my trigger and my damsel in there. can i leave my eel in the main tank with my hawk?

hackteck · 01-28-2006, 01:01 PM

i've always wondered about eels, has ur eel ever tryed to get out that would be pretty freightning also how big is it?

01-27-2006, 11:09 PM	#1
future Aquarium Advice Apprentice Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 18	HELP... i have a 65 gallon tank.. i believe i have ich and i dont know what to do.. i got an eel, a trigger and a hawkfish that seem to be ok (still eating) for now.. my puffer who looks really bad, a wrasse and a damsel who i havent seen eat in a couple of days... my puffer is discolored and my wrasse and damsel have white dots on them... wrasse doesnt move much just sits on the bottom of my tank... my damsel swims more then the others but sometimes sits underneath some live rock. it looks like hes eating but nothing like he use to. i just did a water change yesterday and another one today.. i tested my water the results i got were really low ammonia, [acronym:8dbb596fb0="power head or Measure of the concentration of hydrogen ions, depending on context"]ph[/acronym:8dbb596fb0] was about 8.2-8.4 and it seems like there is no nitrate or nitrite... what should i do. this morning i lost my other wrasse(different type) and my dwarf lion what do i need to do to get a good aquarium and keep my fish alive

01-27-2006, 11:51 PM	#2
Brenden Aquarium Advice Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: Piedmont, NC Posts: 3,876 Images: 32	You had a eel, trigger, hawkfish, puffer, 2 wrasse, damsel and a lion fish in a 65 with [acronym:da5ca32293="Ammonia"]NH3[/acronym:da5ca32293] in the water. That is the start of your problem. How old is this tank? First you need to remove any traces of [acronym:da5ca32293="Ammonia"]NH3[/acronym:da5ca32293] from the water. In desperate cases Amquel or similar will help. Are you are sure the spots are ich and not infections due to poor water quality? Can you post a pic of the spots? If it is definitely ich I recommend hypo. Looking at your fish list it is a good guess that you have no crabs, shrimp etc. Check this thread started just today. http://www.aquariumadvice.com/viewto...=70683&start=0 They are going to treat ich in a no invert tank with hypo. Here is info on hypo: http://www.petsforum.com/personal/tr...osalinity.html PS. you are going to have a really hard time maintaining water quality with that bio-load. __________________ The fact that no one understands you doesn't make you an artist. If guns kill people...Spoons make Michael Moore fat.

01-28-2006, 12:02 AM	#3
TCTFish Aquarium Advice Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Southern California, USA Posts: 1,470 Images: 20	http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-08/sp/index.php The above site will help become informed on ich and how to deal with it. I am going to focus on what I can see to be stress factors that can lower a fish's immunity and make them more suceptible to ich and other ailments. The 65 gallon tank is way too small for the population and some of the species you have. Triggers are large and highly aggressive predators and demand their space. Depending on the species of wrasse and their adult size, also need lots of open swimming space. Puffers also, depending on species, get fairly large. "Really low ammonia" can be too much and start poisoning the fish especially if the pH doesn't go down. The ammonia needs to be under control and stable at zero. Once you have the info you need and treatments are done, I'd suggest you think about what you can keep in the tank that won't outgrow it or cause stress among the other inhabitants of the tank. Keep on changing water...about 10% once a week should be fine. If ammonia levels continue to show, then do the changes twice a week. If nittrite and nitrates are zero, you shouldn't need to do this for too long. Cut back on feeds a little until everything is under control. How long has the tank been running with fish in it? How much and how often do you feed? What type of filter do you have? How often and how much water do you normally change? Can you list the fish in order of introduction, please? What is the [acronym:416286ea75="Specific gravity"]SG[/acronym:416286ea75]? What temp is the tank set at? __________________ http://www.tricitytropicals.com ------------------------------------ We, as a people, know so much more about outer space than we do about our own oceans. This lack of knowledge can very well spell the dangers that lay in wait for us. The oceans surely would swallow us before a rock comes down to smite the planet of it's life. Nov/2004

01-28-2006, 12:09 PM	#7
Hara Aquarium Advice Addict Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 6,867 Images: 33	Along with the information that has already been given to you such as overcrowding etc, I will also add that you do not have near enough filtration for that tank even if it had a low bioload, which it does not. I will retract that comment if you say you have about 150 lbs of liverock in there, but I dont see that mentioned. __________________ ~~~~~Hara~~~~~~ View My Tanks Visit FantasyReef.com's Databases!

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01-28-2006, 01:41 AM	#4
future Aquarium Advice Apprentice Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 18	How long has the tank been running with fish in it? for a month or 2 How much and how often do you feed? i feed my fish once a day, my eel every 2 or 3 What type of filter do you have? magnum 350 and a protein skimmer in the sump How often and how much water do you normally change? 20-30% every 2 weeks Can you list the fish in order of introduction, please? damsel first, then i pot my puffer and hawk, two weeks later, then the eel month later and the wrasse a week after the eel. What is the [acronym:309649d3c4="Specific gravity"]SG[/acronym:309649d3c4]? 1.020 What temp is the tank set at? 77-78

01-28-2006, 01:42 AM	#5
future Aquarium Advice Apprentice Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 18	no i dont have any ammonia in the water, sorry thats what i ment

01-28-2006, 11:15 AM	#6
demodiki Aquarium Advice Freak Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Round Rock, TX Posts: 300	As requested, you are going to have to give a lot more information. Please post the exact numbers of your test results.

01-28-2006, 12:27 PM	#9
future Aquarium Advice Apprentice Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 18	i decided to make a quarantine tank. im gonna get stuff to make it today, i cant just throw my fish in there? what do i do for the water? im gonna put my trigger and my damsel in there. can i leave my eel in the main tank with my hawk?

01-28-2006, 01:01 PM	#10
hackteck Aquarium Advice FINatic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: atlanta,ga Posts: 675	i've always wondered about eels, has ur eel ever tryed to get out that would be pretty freightning also how big is it?