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Old 02-03-2013, 01:07 AM   #1
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Help, FlameAngel is dying!

My new Flame Angelfish started circeling to the right this afternoon, occationally swimming backwards, going against the rocks. I guess he seemed itchy or maybe neurologic, later rasing around and occationally hitting his head on rocks. I thought maybe it's ick (no spots or scrapes on him except a little beaten lower finn), so I placed him into 83F treated freshwater for 4 min and returned him to my SW tank and turned the temp higher (80ish). He continued the circeling and occationally resting upside down against a rock in the bottom of the tank. 1 or 2 hrs ago I kept finding him against the filter inlet. I made him a cave but he somehow keeps making it out and drifts around until back at the inlet. He isn't eating, well he is too disoriented to eat. Is there anything to be done to save him? What could cause this? Are my other fish in danger (clowns, blue tang, puffer, or the shrimps/crabs)?
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:13 AM   #2
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Please provide info. What size tank? What are your parameters? How did you acclimate The angel? What other fish, how long have they been in there?
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:35 AM   #3
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I bought an established 35 gal SW tank w/ 55 lb LR in Dec. It came w/ 2 Clarkii Clowns (and a Trigger and a Damsel, one ate the other and I so the Trigger had to find a new home). Parameters have been good most of the time since I have the tank, the tank did cicle for 3 to 4 weeks. Lately it's always 0 NO3, 0.5ppm NO2, 425 hardness, 240 ppm Alkalinity, 7.6 to 8.0 pH. Over the last few weeks I added a CUC, 2 fire , 2 Pacific, 1 Peppermint shrimp, 2 halloween crabs, snails, 2 wk ago a small Blue Tang and a Cleaner Wrasse (the Wrasse died w/in 24 hrs and I received replacement fish), 1Flame Angel, 1 Valentini Puffer. All fish looked great last night, all eating their frozen Brine shrimp and sea weed, all active etc. The Puffer is not very aggressive, even with my hermit crabs etc but the angel has a tiny mark on a lower fin, probably from bouncing around though. I introduced them w/ 4 times 8 oz water from my tank, the guy at the store said not to use triggeling method or longer smaller additions of water to the bags with fish since the frequent additions cause more stress. The fish looked really healthy for 2 1/2 days, now its hanging off the filter inlet.
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:58 AM   #4
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If you have nitrites, its not cycled or going through a mini cycle. You said your parameters have been whatever lately, but what are they now and since you added the angel? How are you testing?

I disagree with the LFS. Drip acclimation or adding very small amounts into the bag at a time allows the fish a chance to acclimate slowly. Making quick changes will stress the fish more, IMO. That could be part if the problem. The nitrates are not doing any of the fish any good either.
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Old 02-03-2013, 02:04 AM   #5
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I'm trying to count here...blue tang, flame angel, two clowns, a puffer and a damsel and a variety of shrimp and crabs in a 35g? That seems really overstocked with fish and some (tang and angel) that need to be in a larger tank.
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Old 02-03-2013, 02:14 AM   #6
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Not really, its 2 med clows, 3 small fish and 5 small shrimp. I know that I would have to relocate the small growing fish in 2 or 3 yrs but they are really small for now, everybody getting along, and parameters are not off.
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Old 02-03-2013, 02:21 AM   #7
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Maybe you r right the slower intro may have been better but the guy thought thats how the Wrasse didn't make it. He does the intro at their store (a huge whole sale aquarium store in Chicago) in the way explained, so I thought he knows what to do.
Anything I can do at this time?
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:50 AM   #8
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I have a 39g and its too small for a flame angel...I have a flame and a regal tang in a 150g and sometimes it seems that is too small. A 35g tank should only house 4 or so fish comfortably. Should probably look at nano fish in the future to be more successful. And ALWAYS drip acclimate...Good Luck and don't give up. Also, dont always listen to what lfs guys tell you...my lfs guy is one of my best friends and half the time he's wrong!
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:21 AM   #9
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I'm not sure what is causing that in all honesty. If there are no visible signs of illness...white spots, patches, cloudy eyes, etc and everything else in the tank is fine and parameters are fine...how is it today? Same thing? Doing any better?
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:25 AM   #10
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Thanks for the responses,
as expected, the flame angel didn't make it, everybody else is doing great. I will leave it with the 4 fishes I have at this time and later look for another orange addition. I know the flame angels are supposed to be in bigger tank when at full size but this one was very small and they are supposingly slow growers. I was hoping to keep it in this tank for a yr or so and if I like the hobby I am planning to at some point upgrade to a larger tank. Is there any other pretty orange small type of fish that is hardy and that goes well with semiaggressive species like my Clarkii Clowns, Valentini Puffer, and Blue Tang? I have no coral but also no lid (better lighting) so no jumper.
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