Help-Sick V-tail grouper - Page 2 - Aquarium Advice

SeeDemTails · 04-25-2006, 08:48 AM

I know all about how big they will get.

My old 125 gal tank is still set up in my dads florida room, and has my origional salwater fish still in it, my 12" panther grouper, a 10 " spotted grouper and a 5 inch huma huma.

However when I went to school they wouldnt let me keep the tank of course at my new place.

BUT IM MOVING NOW!

All the fish are many years old in this tank.

I plan on putting these fish in the tank when they get big enough, but that wont be for a while. I couldnt find a fuzzy dwarf any bigger than 2 inches so I just planned to raise him. The v-tail was just for company and something around the same size as him so I could raise them together. And they are perfect tank mates, never once has either been aggressive towards the other.

I cant just add them to the big tank as much as I would ikte too, or they would just be another meal.

I planned to raise them till they were about 5 or 6 inches in the 55 gal, and then move them in with the big boys and turn the 55 into a reef.

I have had no problems with my other tanks ever, but none have ever been as small as this tank. I know it isnt the right size tank to raise these fish in, but I have no option until I move in a couple weeks, and it is surley better than the LFS where the lion had been for months in a 6x6" cube. And the fish are small enough right now that they can comfortably swim around in this tank, however I kow that wont last more than a few months.

I am moving around may 5th-10th so I will be setting up somthing bigger for them ASAP.

In the mean time, after the water changes, whats next?.....can I treat them? How should I treat them with inverts in the tank?......should I but another tank and make it a QT? I hate to setup anymore tanks with this move being so close, the fish have been great for months, I wish they would have been good for a week or two more!

ALSO.....I noticed that my lions fins on either side are a little frayed, and that as he hunts around the tank he always gets stung a little by this anemone. Is this going to hurt him, because it seems like it happens everyday. As he swims past it I seem him barley touch it and then dart away.

04-25-2006, 05:34 PM

Very glad to hear. Believe it or not, we do rarely see this kind of upgrade process from people so don't take the lecture to hard. We had your's and the fish's best interest at heart.

FWIW, both of these fish should be fine to move to the large tank once they are about 4".... Really comes down to are they mouth size for the larger groupers.

I think your current problem is an accumulation of circumstances for the most part. As soon as other arrangements can be made to seperate the cnidarians from the fish or at least give them more room you'll see a fair improvement. In the interim, all you can do is rely heavily on water changes. Make sure they are large and more than once a week. Running with carbon in a high flow filter (HOB?) will help reduce chemical pollutants/toxins.

At this point, I see nothing "treatable", it's more or less stress/environment related. Keep an eye on the grouper is the red looks worse or not. Vibrio is a possibility as is a common bacterial infection but will be hard to determine given the fish's otherwise blotchy appearance/coloration. You'll need to be very careful to examine the fish for any potential signs of rash, scales looking odd, cottony tufts, ulcers, red streaks, eye being continually cloudy and so on.

Cheers
Steve

SeeDemTails · 04-25-2006, 08:34 PM

I did a 25% water change tonight, and I bought some Mardel "Maracyn" for the fish as an antibiotic just becuase the grouper has rubbed his forehead pretty raw, the guys at the LFS said would be ok for my anemones and feather dusters.

I am going to do another 25% change tomarrow, and another in a couple days.

Thats for careing about the fish guys!...some peole only care about how they look, not how they feel!

As far as filtration goes, I have a skilter 250 with an airstone to make it work better.

Steve....once again thanks man!

04-26-2006, 06:17 PM

Be careful using anti's in your display tank. While it won't harm the inhabitants, it will impeed your biofilter so test daily for NH3 and NO2. Do water changes as needed to keep nitrogens in check. With Maracyn II, it needs to be added daily for 7 days @ 2mg/gal with a 25% water change prior to each new dose. Anything less will not be effective.

If the problem gets worse even with the Marcyn use, you may need to switch to Nitrofurazone but that will need a QT.

Cheers
Steve

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04-25-2006, 08:48 AM	#11
SeeDemTails Aquarium Advice Freak Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Daytona Beach FL Posts: 436 Images: 4	I know all about how big they will get. My old 125 gal tank is still set up in my dads florida room, and has my origional salwater fish still in it, my 12" panther grouper, a 10 " spotted grouper and a 5 inch huma huma. However when I went to school they wouldnt let me keep the tank of course at my new place. BUT IM MOVING NOW! All the fish are many years old in this tank. I plan on putting these fish in the tank when they get big enough, but that wont be for a while. I couldnt find a fuzzy dwarf any bigger than 2 inches so I just planned to raise him. The v-tail was just for company and something around the same size as him so I could raise them together. And they are perfect tank mates, never once has either been aggressive towards the other. I cant just add them to the big tank as much as I would ikte too, or they would just be another meal. I planned to raise them till they were about 5 or 6 inches in the 55 gal, and then move them in with the big boys and turn the 55 into a reef. I have had no problems with my other tanks ever, but none have ever been as small as this tank. I know it isnt the right size tank to raise these fish in, but I have no option until I move in a couple weeks, and it is surley better than the LFS where the lion had been for months in a 6x6" cube. And the fish are small enough right now that they can comfortably swim around in this tank, however I kow that wont last more than a few months. I am moving around may 5th-10th so I will be setting up somthing bigger for them ASAP. In the mean time, after the water changes, whats next?.....can I treat them? How should I treat them with inverts in the tank?......should I but another tank and make it a QT? I hate to setup anymore tanks with this move being so close, the fish have been great for months, I wish they would have been good for a week or two more! ALSO.....I noticed that my lions fins on either side are a little frayed, and that as he hunts around the tank he always gets stung a little by this anemone. Is this going to hurt him, because it seems like it happens everyday. As he swims past it I seem him barley touch it and then dart away.

04-25-2006, 05:34 PM	#12
steve-s Guest Posts: n/a	Very glad to hear. Believe it or not, we do rarely see this kind of upgrade process from people so don't take the lecture to hard. We had your's and the fish's best interest at heart. FWIW, both of these fish should be fine to move to the large tank once they are about 4".... Really comes down to are they mouth size for the larger groupers. I think your current problem is an accumulation of circumstances for the most part. As soon as other arrangements can be made to seperate the cnidarians from the fish or at least give them more room you'll see a fair improvement. In the interim, all you can do is rely heavily on water changes. Make sure they are large and more than once a week. Running with carbon in a high flow filter (HOB?) will help reduce chemical pollutants/toxins. At this point, I see nothing "treatable", it's more or less stress/environment related. Keep an eye on the grouper is the red looks worse or not. Vibrio is a possibility as is a common bacterial infection but will be hard to determine given the fish's otherwise blotchy appearance/coloration. You'll need to be very careful to examine the fish for any potential signs of rash, scales looking odd, cottony tufts, ulcers, red streaks, eye being continually cloudy and so on. Cheers Steve

04-25-2006, 08:34 PM	#13
SeeDemTails Aquarium Advice Freak Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Daytona Beach FL Posts: 436 Images: 4	I did a 25% water change tonight, and I bought some Mardel "Maracyn" for the fish as an antibiotic just becuase the grouper has rubbed his forehead pretty raw, the guys at the LFS said would be ok for my anemones and feather dusters. I am going to do another 25% change tomarrow, and another in a couple days. Thats for careing about the fish guys!...some peole only care about how they look, not how they feel! As far as filtration goes, I have a skilter 250 with an airstone to make it work better. Steve....once again thanks man!

04-26-2006, 06:17 PM	#14
steve-s Guest Posts: n/a	Be careful using anti's in your display tank. While it won't harm the inhabitants, it will impeed your biofilter so test daily for NH3 and NO2. Do water changes as needed to keep nitrogens in check. With Maracyn II, it needs to be added daily for 7 days @ 2mg/gal with a 25% water change prior to each new dose. Anything less will not be effective. If the problem gets worse even with the Marcyn use, you may need to switch to Nitrofurazone but that will need a QT. Cheers Steve