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Old 07-15-2004, 01:39 PM   #11
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well that's what we use in the hospital tanks at the store, cupramine for the puffers, angels, and butterflys and such. Steve-s, you're talking about ionic copper, i thought it only came in chelated and non-chelated forms. What does it being ionic or not have to do with it?
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well that's what we use in the hospital tanks at the store, cupramine for the puffers, angels, and butterflys and such. Steve-s, you're talking about ionic copper, i thought it only came in chelated and non-chelated forms. What does it being ionic or not have to do with it?
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Old 07-15-2004, 05:11 PM   #13
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Wow, got a lot of posts on this one. Must be a good topic. First would love to get a pic of the tang but the combination of a camera phone and the tangs incredible swimming speed makes it a lost cause. The Marine velvet came courtesy of a royal gramma I purchased through live aquaria. He perished from it before I knew what had hit. Marine velvet is very sneaky so I've found out. By the time I figured out what was up, the entire display tank was infected. It looked as if I was about to lose the clownfish also...but they pulled through and look great now. In regards to the bicolor and using copper with him...I guess I got lucky there. He seems oblivious to anything at all.

None of the fish have shown signs of any reoccurring velvet. They all eat eagerly and swim around pretty much the way they did in the display tank. Except of course for the tang...which drives me crazy cause i feel a real sense of responsibility to these animals and their well-being. Yeah, I understand that most people consider fish pretty much at the bottom of the pet "food chain", but they are still living creatures who deserve the best shot I can give them...anyway, sorry got off track there.

I currently soak the Formula two that I use in Boyd Enterprises Vita Chem...good product or no? I also add this directly to the water on some occasions.

All my fish are in quarantine at the moment as they were all infected to some degree or another. The 6 green chromis really didn't act much like they had anything wrong with them but I figured leaving them in the display tank would only give the marine velvet something to feed off of. Besides them there is the bicolor two false perculas and the tang. These are all young fish so none of them are large at all. The bicolor being the largest by far at just around 3 inches.

Scuba steve you wanted to know a little about my display tank so here it goes.
75 gallons FOWLR
Around 100 lbs of fiji rock...probably closer to 95 lbs
Geo-marine florida crushed coral substrate
2026 Eheim Professional II Canister filter(w/surface extractor on intake)
Prizm Deluxe Protein Skimmer
18 Watt Coralife turbo-twist UV Sterilizer
Two Zoo Med Power Sweep 226 powerheads
265 watt Coralife compact florescent lighting(actinic and 10,000K)
(set on 12 hour timer)
Reef Crystals for my salt
One scarlet skunk cleaner
Various crabs and snails...red hermit, orange tip, zebra, dwarf blue...nassarius,
cerith, turbo and black mexican
All my tests show 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, and 0 phosphate. The nitrate is around 20 ppm which isn't great but for a FOWLR I can live with that for now

I break down the canister filter once a week and rinse out the ceramic mechanical media and change the filter pads. I also pull out the powerheads about once every two weeks and take them apart and clean them out. I empty the collection cup for the protein skimmer about twice a week. I top off all evaporation everyday directly after work and I only use spring water for this and water changes.

I feel like I'm doing everything right or at the very least I'm working my butt off at it. In my defense though, except for the royal gramma bringing in the velvet, I NEVER had any problems. The fish i own have all survived since the day i brought them home...the royal gramma was my first loss.

Well, that completes the longest post ever! Thanks steve one and steve two for all your help...so glad I stumbled across this site!!
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the nitrate issue is prob from the canister (but if ya do clean it one time a week thats a huge help ) ! also the prizm is a tad small for that size tank and if you are to upgrade anything it would be that imo !! well it looks like your gonna be back on track here good luck !
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The LR should be plenty of filtration right? Thats what I was told about my 75g with LR. I have had no problems thus far with the levels. Is this true or not.
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yes very true !!
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well that's what we use in the hospital tanks at the store, cupramine for the puffers, angels, and butterflys and such. Steve-s, you're talking about ionic copper, i thought it only came in chelated and non-chelated forms. What does it being ionic or not have to do with it?
Ionic copper and chelated copper are completely different items and Cupramine is niether. Cupramine is a complex of organic copper amines unlike true ionic copper which is copper chloride/sulfate and chelates are bound and not freely ionic.

Being ionic has evrything to do with how the fish in question will hold up in an otherwise toxic environmet which fully ionic coppers are. If using a chelate or Cupramine which are considerabley less toxic to fish in general there is a much lower death rate due to treatment and little or no long term effects on the internal organs. Fully ionic copper will damage internal organs, destroy the biofilter and cause fish to lose their appetite.

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