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Old 03-01-2004, 09:13 AM   #11
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do you really buy this ??? i hope not !?!?!? i have seen alot of people freaked out about buying a tank that might of had copper in it !?!?! i truly feel this is way over reacted !! and will buy any tank as long as it hold water copper or not i have 2 55 gallons tanks that i used to copper all the time well one now is my fuge and pods worms macros are growing like crazy !! even have used the same cc and no negative affects that i see all seams great
Huh??

If one used copper in the a tank full of sand and LR, the odds of that copper being "trapped" in those places is extremely high. Over time, it will leach out.

Now if the entire tank was broken down and washed and rinsed, it is possible that the copper may have been competely removed. That is unless it was absorbed into the silicon tank seals.
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Old 03-01-2004, 10:09 AM   #12
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dont buy the fact that even if the silicon is a blueish tint that it would be enough to kill inverts !! itsw just stained !! havnt killed any of mine ?!?!?!
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Old 03-01-2004, 11:44 AM   #13
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dont buy the fact that even if the silicon is a blueish tint that it would be enough to kill inverts !! itsw just stained !! havnt killed any of mine ?!?!?!
Copper will not normally tint the silicone. That will be mainly from the use of malachite green or similar meds which do not contain copper. There is a possibility it may not leach from inert products. The main concern as Biggen pointed out is CaCO3 based elements. Copper is absorbed like a sponge in water and will leach over time. The only exception would be a properly chelated form of copper but even then it is still possible depending on dosage used.

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ok heres my thoughts and mabe im in for a huge loss of life but till then i think this is over rated !! lets say you have a bleached coral in your fish only tank 55 gallon which ya used copper in and its 4 lb rock !! if i poured the 2 teaspoons copper on the rock and let it dry and then put in the reef i could see alot of leaching and could cause a prob !! but due to the copper being added to a tank with 55 gallons of water the residue on such rock or tank would be so small that even if i added it to the main tank and it leached out id bet ya still couldnt get a reading on a test kit !! 4lbs rock leaching out even a small amount in a new 55 gallon tank would be such a small amount i really dont think the inverts would even know !! i did this with one coral skeleton and my snails love to eat off it !! and its been in a copper tank for sure !! im not an expert but have done such bad things and never seen any negative responses from doing so like to see some proof of adding copper to a tank and then not being able to keep inverts in the same tank on a later date i just dont buy it and if anyone has a tank they dosed with copper and is worried about a reef tank success id buy it without a blink of an eye

mabe myth busters could prove this one way or another heheheh
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Old 03-01-2004, 02:31 PM   #15
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like to see some proof of adding copper to a tank and then not being able to keep inverts in the same tank on a later date i just dont buy it and if anyone has a tank they dosed with copper and is worried about a reef tank success id buy it without a blink of an eye
Think about this: Copper kills inverts. Its proven poison. Products like Had a Snail contain a copper based chemical (copper-sulphate I believe) that is designed to kill inverts. Now, what kind of advisors would we be if we told people that "Sure even though you used copper based chemicals in the past in your tank, any and all inverts will be fine now that the chemical was hopefully removed". That would be like using a coffee cup to mix arsenic and water together and then telling a person that wanted to use it that it should be safe even though I washed it out.

I guess the bottom line is why would I, or anyone, want to take this kind of chance? Everything that I do is preventative. My QT, carbon, water changes, etc.. are all preventative means in order to avoid having any kind of problems. Why not practice the same with using copper?

I can't speak about your experiences with copper meds since I am not familiar with your situation. I can tell you that having any amount of copper in the tank is harmful. No matter how small you think the quantity is.

I am not trying to start a war of words with you, but I just want to stress how important it is that people know what they are doing with copper before using it.
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heheh i dont want a war and not even my point at all and sorry if im coming across that way but i guess my point is that i really feel its over rated and stressed over more than it should be !! and i understand your point being a advisor and playing the safe roll for sure !!
i understand the toxicity of copper and am very careful with it !! but honestly ya wouldnt use a tank that had been dosed with copper ??
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but honestly ya wouldnt use a tank that had been dosed with copper ??
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Oh really happy to hear advise from you guys, luckily I haven't bought the UV yet, I can still decide whether to go for ozone or UV. But I had a few questions.

Q1: Can Ozone be use if there are invert like tube worms/feather duster, snails, cleaner shrimp in there

Q2: I do not have a sump, can it be directly added to the tank

Q3: Some reply indicates that ozone will weaken rubber, so will it destroy the silicon glue that glue the 4 sides of my tank? Wow if the silicon burst, my living room will be doom.

Q4: Read a lot of replies saying using a orp meter to measure the amount of ozone that should be used, so what is this meter? Never heard before.

Q5: Ozone is really 4X more expensive than UV sterilizer?

Any articles or web sites have good ozone introduction?
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