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Old 04-21-2004, 11:43 AM   #11
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wow Good luck bud..... hope it all works out for ya! Ill be cheering for ya! BTW.... I did this once as well so hard to walk away... but like its said... we all live and learn.... to live and learn is good.... to live and never make a mistake... we just wont learn.. mistakes are good!
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Old 04-21-2004, 12:50 PM   #12
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Well, took out the anemone last night. The clown was very angry. He tried to bite me, twice! After I took the anemone out, the clown became very depressed or something. There was something different about him and I don't like it. I hope this doesnt cause him to stress out to the point of him catching a disease.

I tried to feed the clown this morning and he didn't eat. He would put the peice of food in his mouth and then spit it back out.
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Old 04-21-2004, 02:22 PM   #13
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To tell the truth, u shouldnt have bought the anemoneat fist but when it was in your tank it would have been to just let it stay, it was already attached and you tuggin on it will damage it, and Im almost positive that your lfs has worst tank conditions, and if u would have kept the anemone the clown wouldnt be so stressed and picky I hope hes not at the pointof suicide, I saw on another forum that their clown commited suicide after they took away the anemone Hope all goes well.
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Old 04-21-2004, 02:26 PM   #14
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Old 04-21-2004, 02:33 PM   #15
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Your clown will be fine. It will likely act a little distressed for a day or so but it will eventually adjust to not having the anenome any longer. You did the right thing, IMO, by returning the anenome as although it looked healthy, anenomes are very slow to show signs of deteriorating health. Usualy by the time something looks wrong, its tough to get them to recover at all. Leaving it your tank it would likely have looked fine for a while, perhaps even a month or so, then it would have quickly declined and you'd be in the same situation you have now. No anenome and an adjusting clown. This way the anenome at least has the opportunity to make it to a more well adjusted tank that can support it.

SaltWaterTeen: While fish are inteligent and may certainly show emotion, suicide is human flaw. The #1 unfailing rule in nature is this: Survive. If the clown you're refering to jumped out of the tank then it did something fish do quite frequently. They've explored their tank and decide they want to see whats on the other side of the glass, or they're hoping for better/different suroundings. They have no concept that the other side has no water. This is why many SW fish keepers have eggcrate on their tanks. Keeps the fish in while still letting in air for the gas exchange.
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IMO, you kinda got yourself in a Catch 22. If you left it in a 3week old tank, the chances of its survival were very slim. The lighting isnt high enough and the tank is just too young.

Taking it back might have damaged it simply by removing it from the rock...not to mention the stess on the clown fish.

IMO...I would have taken it back. I understand that the LFS tanks may be worse than mine, but...2 things.
1. They gave you bad info to sell you something your tank couldnt handle.
2. I would rather it die in their tank than mine.

...I think you made the right call.
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Haha, thanks for all the replies. The Maroon is still distressed and not eating =(. I hope he recovers soon. I would hate to see him die. Actually taking the Anemone off the LR wasn't that hard at all, I turned off my lighting and powerhead so that the anemone might want to move. Half of the anemone detached by itself and another half was being pushed by the clown. The Maroon looked like he was trying to force the anemone into a new place. So i just reached in and grabbed the anemone. When I returned the anemone, the LFS put it back into to tank and the anemone partically opened up to full length within a few minutes.
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You guys talk about us fish mongers like we have horns and a tail
I can't even fathom how much you wouldn't trust me, at a Pet'smart.

Then again, I wouldn't sell anything I thought would die, without a fight. Although people do seem to believe that buying from the store makes them know everything and that I know nothing. This is so common a question it makes me wonder if the customers confide to each other before hey come into the store.

Me: The general rule is 1 inch of fish per gallon.

Customer: (indignantly) You have more than one inch per gallon.

Me: Yes, but not only are our fish going to be sold eventually, but we also have a central filtration system, in actuality we have more than enough filtration. Space is a stress factor, but that can't be helped, we need fish to sell fish. And, again, fish usually don't stay for more than a week.

Customer: (Slyly) Why can't I keep more than one inch per gallon, if you can?

Me: Because our setup cost 500000$ It's over 3 thousand gallons, and it's carefully maintained by experts. I wouldn't try to sell you less if I could sell you more, I just don't want your fish to die.

Customer: (pouting) I don't like it.

Me: Wait 'till I tell you about cycling.

I tell people that a hampster is easier and cheaper to keep than a good aquarium, but they never believe me.
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Well I'm sure there are some really knowledgeable LFS salesman, but a lot of them really don't know that much, or at least as much as the experience on this forum. I've been to 3 places that simply flatout wanted to make a sale. I've also been to two other LFS that are extremely knowledgeable and very concerned about what the effects of the purchase might have on a tank. They ask questions before they actually give you the product.

http://home.earthlink.net/~luntiz/misc/DSCF0092.JPG My lonely clown, and a cleaner shrimp under the rock.
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AtLarge: You are one of the few ( both in my personal experiences as well as the many stories i hear in these forums) that are concerned with more than just getting the fish out the door.

Any time I find a new pet/fish store I spend at least a half an hour there. I find someone to help me and I start asking questions. Questions I know the answers to. I more often than not get the wrong answers. Answers that say "yes it's ok to buy, it will be healthy, dont worry". It's not to say every store is like that, obviously. But a consciencious LFS is the exception rather than the rule. The fact you participate in these forums alone is already a credit in your favor!
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