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Old 12-27-2013, 08:28 PM   #31
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I'm not sure. What I wouldn't do is add 6 heavily infected fish at once to any tank. I have added 3 tangs at once to a tank, and they all showed signs of ich (whites spots all over, scratching), and they all recovered. There were other fish present and they never showed a sign.
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Old 12-27-2013, 08:45 PM   #32
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I'm not sure. What I wouldn't do is add 6 heavily infected fish at once to any tank. I have added 3 tangs at once to a tank, and they all showed signs of ich (whites spots all over, scratching), and they all recovered. There were other fish present and they never showed a sign.
And i believe in your experience. If you keep a clean tank with healthy fish and good water and you add a fish with ich, yes i believe that they can fight it off only maybe be seeing afew spots. I was merely using it as an example that it is possible to over whelm a heathly fish if it were exposed to high concentrations of it. My example was impractical and admit it would very rarely happen if at all but it fitted the train of thought i was following.
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Old 12-27-2013, 09:52 PM   #33
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But the ocean stress is short lived, not an ongoing thing, like a 4" tang in a 40 breeder. Also, do you think that all the ich parasites go through their life cycle at exactly the same time? some are falling off, while some are hopping on...
The tangs in aquariums only stop to sleep as well.
But they cannot escape the ich in our tanks they are trapped with them lol

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Old 12-27-2013, 09:55 PM   #34
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With my experiences I havent had luck keeping ich off no matter how healthy I keep fish or how well they eat or how well I keep up with water quality. So I just can't agree with any of that stuff. No offense to you though if it works for you it does.

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Old 12-27-2013, 10:00 PM   #35
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Ich?

Everybody has an opinion, this time thru my experience I am siding with X.

I have experience with infectious disease in humans. Remember the "boy in a bubble?" His immune system failed opening him up to infections in the environment that we would never notice or succumb to. He had to live in a perfectly filtered artificial environment. We stress fish sometimes, their immune system (slime coat) fails and it can put them in the same position, there can be no infectious organisms of any kind in the tank. We use UV light and go thru lots of exercises to try to eliminate every one of these organisms. Our tank becomes the boys bubble. It is far better to bolster a good immune system than to try to live in a sterile environment.

If you want disease resistant fish, it starts with reducing their stress.
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Old 12-27-2013, 10:58 PM   #36
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Ich?

This article suggests something I believe, only a copper filled tank can be totally free of Ich spores. Invertebrates can host the spores, so the 8 week fallow program could be flawed. I think our fish are subject to far more infectious organisms on a daily basis than we ever dreamed.


http://bestfish.com/saltich.html


I know of folks that had spontaneous outbreaks of Ich and didn't add any new fish, inverts or even corals for over a year. The organism couldn't have been introduced from the outside, so where did it come from? IMO it was there all along. It took one fish's failing immune system to take off.


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Old 12-28-2013, 12:26 AM   #37
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It was there because it was introduced before. I had an anthias that never showed a sign of ich for a year but every other fish did. Yea they can fight it off if their healthy and not stressed but if you've never introduced ich I just don't believe it can grow itself out of nowhere just because a fish is stressed. I'm stressed all the time but I'm never sick and parasites don't just pop up on me. And from what I've read and I read a lot before decided to leave my 120 empty for 12 weeks inverts cannot host ich

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I'm have a question to both Greg and X. What happens when a new fish is added into your tanks (which is a fairly stressful situation) and gets ich. This ich multiplying and causing a large.. bloom for lack of a better word of the parasite in your tank. Presumably the fish haven't developed an immunity since it's still present in your tanks but wouldn't that in itself potentially cause a cascade effect?
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A tank can be ich free without constantly dosing copper. To think that it is impossible is completely ridiculous IMO. If you proactively treat your fish in quarantine and do a form of tank transfer on anything that isn't a fish before going in your tank you will not get ich .
If you do all those things there is no chance no matter how stressed a fish gets since it is a parasite it does not appear out of nowhere . It must be brought in .
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