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Old 01-03-2014, 10:51 AM   #51
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It's quite the debate going on here. I can see both sides of this one. The theory is there that you can achieve a system that has no ich. And that is not a hard concept to achieve. Simply strict qt'ing. The only problem is that you have to also qt all inverts and coral for 8 weeks not everyone is set up to do this.

And I will agree that what works for Mr x will not work for everyone due to the fact that he has much more knowledge and has done more research than most of us. His decisions have kept his tank stress free. Good for him. Although if something catastrophic happens to his tank the parasite has the ability to take over and seriously cripple his fish.

Both methods have their pros and cons. IMO neither should be considered wrong.
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Old 01-03-2014, 12:51 PM   #52
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About the invert qt. There is a pretty good way around that and it is pretty simple . Basically setup a few containers of tank water about 5-8 of them. Then put all the inverts in the first one and let them soak for a few minutes . Then move them all to the next and keep repeating for each container . The theory here is because the parasite is only hitching a ride and not embedding itself in the let's say hermit crab for an example , by the time it reaches the last container all parasites that have hitched a ride should be washed off in the first few containers . Still isn't fool proof but it is better than nothing .
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Although if something catastrophic happens to his tank the parasite has the ability to take over and seriously cripple his fish.
Like what for instance?
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Ich?

If you mortally stress a fish, even in your Ich free tank, I guarantee it will be attacked by a opportunistic virus or bacteria that is already present in your tank when it's slime coat fails. There are no sterile, totally disease free aquariums out there in hobbiest hands.

Low stress is the only long term protection you can give your fish. JIMO
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Well idk how my sailfin tang was getting stressed every other day when nobody ever fought and I never changed anything. But every other day he broke out with ich. And he was eating great. Ate anything I put in there and I was feeding him good food. He was healthy and still is. So how exactly do you stop that when your doing absolutely nothing to stress the fish and yet he still is covered in ich every other day

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If you mortally stress a fish, even in your Ich free tank, I guarantee it will be attacked by a opportunistic virus or bacteria that is already present in your tank when it's slime coat fails. There are no sterile, totally disease free aquariums out there in hobbiest hands.

Low stress is the only long term protection you can give your fish. JIMO
I do not think that was directed at me but just for the record I am not arguing that point nor did I mention my tank is disease proof and sterile . What I did say is my tank is 100% free of any ich parasite and anyone who wants to do the work theirs can be also. That was my one and only point of posting in this thread .
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I understand, I just don't think you can ever guarantee yourself a perfectly disease free environment.
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Well idk how my sailfin tang was getting stressed every other day when nobody ever fought and I never changed anything. But every other day he broke out with ich. And he was eating great. Ate anything I put in there and I was feeding him good food. He was healthy and still is. So how exactly do you stop that when your doing absolutely nothing to stress the fish and yet he still is covered in ich every other day

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How can you state he is stress free? Something is causing his slime coat to fail or he wouldn't have Ich. If that wasn't the case, every sailfin would have Ich constantly. They repel the parasite when healthy. How big is the sailfins tank?

My point is that you can run UV and other disease prevention measures and they don't work as well as tackling the usual causes of the outbreak, stress.
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I understand, I just don't think you can ever guarantee yourself a perfectly disease free environment.
I agree 100% diseases cannot be controlled but parasites ( ich) can be if you are willing to do the work involved. This is a good discussion and I hope there are no hard feelings taken from it .
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No, none at all! Debate is what uncovers the truth .
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