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Old 12-23-2013, 12:56 AM   #1
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Ich?

I have been in Saltwater aquariums for one year now and I still don't have this completely down.
I have had my fair share of issues including ich.
I just switched from a 55g to a 120g tank. Right before the switch my boyfriend noticed some spots on our heniochus' fin that resembled ich. We put all our fish from the 55g into our QT tank and started copper.
We proceeded to drain and take down our 55g and started the 120g. In the midst of all the excitement my boyfriend put the rock from the 55g into the new 120g.
-Note here that the 120g came with some of its previous rock and 7 of its previous fish.
Now we have seen an ich like spot on the yellow tang that came with the 120g.
I'm kind of at a loss at what to do now. Is it really necessary for me to take all the fish out of the 120g and put them in QT? Ideas? Thanks, Lindsey
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Old 12-23-2013, 01:01 AM   #2
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it would be a good idea to QT all the fish and treat with copper.... the only issue is, is that the 120g without all the fish in it may still have ich in the tank.

So once uve treated all the fish in QT and put em all back into the 120g, the ich may come back.

Plus if you start copper treating the 120g it may kill all the algae growth and BB in the tank and live rock.
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Old 12-23-2013, 01:05 AM   #3
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I bought the 120g with all the fish and tons of live rock. I inspected every fish pretty thoroughly but you never know. I took about 80g of the water that was in the tank and added brand new saltwater for the rest as well as taking about 80 lbs of the live rock that was in the tank. I think the mistake was when I added my rock from the 55g but I can't be sure. I just don't know whether to take out all the fish to treat (just incase)and leave the tank to sit or just wait to see if it gets worse or another fish gets a sign of ich.
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Old 12-23-2013, 01:09 AM   #4
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I would say treat the fish into QT with copper (the one's that are getting infected) but like as I said, when you put that one live rock from the 55 into the 120.... it could have potentially carried the ich with it. even if you remove all the fish out of the 120, there may be ich still living in that 120 tank.
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Remove the fish to the qt and leave the main tank fallow(without fish) for 6 to 8 weeks to kill off any ich that is in there. Don't shorten the time or you'll be back to square one. it of course would be best to wait the longer period of eight week any inverts and rock can remain. Treat the qt with either copper or hypo, if you choose hypo you will need a refractometer you can't use a hydrometer because there not accurate enough. If you choose copper I personally prefer cupramine by seachem it is not as harsh a form of copper as other products.
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Is there a way round ich with no quarantine tank? I think my fish are the suffering too. Is ich fatal or is it something the fish will fight off in time? All my fish are still eating and active but I believe the ich came it's my latest fish I added I know should of quarantined but I had checked on the fish a few weeks on bounce in lfs and seemed healthy enough
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Is there a way round ich with no quarantine tank? I think my fish are the suffering too. Is ich fatal or is it something the fish will fight off in time? All my fish are still eating and active but I believe the ich came it's my latest fish I added I know should of quarantined but I had checked on the fish a few weeks on bounce in lfs and seemed healthy enough
There's not really a way around the ich without a qt especially if you have live rock and inverts. If not treated ich is almost always fatal.
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Its an extremely easy parasite to cure but in small tanks if nothing is done it can become fatal yes.
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Fish can most certainly fight off ich under the right circumstances. Stress is what lowers their immune systems and then you see the parasite take hold. I have never QT'd any fish and many of them had ich when they were introduced, and all fish made full recoveries, except for one Achilles tang. When I tell you I had a lot of fish in the years I've been doing this, I'm talking hundreds. These fish were sold on a regular basis, so I didn't keep them for very long, but I put them in a system that was connected to my main display.

Changing tanks/coming from the LFS to your tank, ammonia levels/poor parameters, bullying, and undersized tanks are mainly what starts it. Without these factors present, you won't have a problem with ich, even if it's in your display.
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Read these. They will answer your questions and provide you with some treatment options.

An Ounce of Prevention is Worth a Pound of Cure: A Quarantine Tank for Everything by Steven Pro

Marine Ich/Cryptocaryon irritans - A Discussion of this Parasite and the Treatment Options Available, Part I by Steven Pro

Marine Ich/Cryptocaryon irritans - A Discussion of this Parasite and the Treatment Options Available, Part II by Steven Pro
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