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Old 04-24-2006, 10:09 PM   #1
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Ich and Coppersafe

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Newbie here. I have a 110 gallon tank that I'm treating for ich. No live rock or any inverts. 1 3" Bi-color Angel, 1 4" White Spotted Grouper, 1 3" Bursa Trigger, 1 12" Snowflake Eel and 4 damsels. All water parameters are perfect. Temp has been raised from 78' to 80.5' and specific gravity has been lowered
to .014 from .025. I've been treating with Coppersafe for one week now and the trigger got worse yesterday showing more spots. I just got a copper test today made by Seachem. The test results showed a copper reading of 1. ppm. I understand from reading old posts that it should be 1.5 to 2 but my test kit only goes to 1. Am I right about this? I have removed all carbon but do I also need to turn off the skimmer and uv sterilizer? I have just to be safe but wasn't sure. Any help appreciated...

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You don't have to turn off the UV sterilizer, i don't think. The skimmer should be off. HTH
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If you have dropped the salinity why are you even using the med? I would just run hypo on the tank. You have no substrate or rock in this tank?
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Remove the copper, fast. Water changes and carbon. You are seriously risking copper poisoning, especially with a test kit that isn't helping.

Once the copper is gone, reduce the salinity further to 1.009 or preferabley measured with a refractometer @ 14 ppt.

FWIW, when the test kit only goes so high, you dilute the sample with RO/DI water.

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I went with the copper because I had a Rock Beauty Angel that came down with ich really quick and I figured copper would work faster then hypo. The angel did die as I was too late anyway. I dropped the salinity as far as I could feeling safe knowing that the my SG meter is not that accurate. I also don't have a refractometer to do hypo properly but one is on the way. The trigger does look much better today. Only a few specs left as opposed to a hundred! I will keep everything the way it is until the refractometer arrives. At which point I will try the hypo method with RO/DI water. I have no live rock only dead/decorative coral but I do have live sand. Thanks again!

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Have you tested the PH?
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Yes, I'm keeping an eye on that. It's currently at 8.2 and I have some buffer for when I do the hypo. Thanks for the heads up anyway.

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Just so you know when all those specks fall off the fall to the bottom and over 200 small fries called tomites will come from each speck. The fight is not over just because the specks fell off. Continue to treat with hypo. IMO you should never treat with both copper and hypo.
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I am dealing with ick too. I have read that the uv sterlizer does something to coppersafe that causes the copper to become toxic. Something about it becoming free floating I think. I am using a product called ick attach six days later I still have ick. Where are you getting your refractormeter & how much was it? If you don't mind me asking. Good luck

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tina- i tried ick attack for no results go to e-bay for a refractor that is where i got mine for about 40$- i tried hypo and i had mixedf results so i went to cuparmine copper treatment and have not had one problem- good luck
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