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Old 11-18-2003, 12:04 AM   #1
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ICK in my new tank all the fish have it.

I dont need any "you should have" or "next time".

My fish got ick. all three. the tank is new (1mth old) with lots of live rock and sand. and crabs. what should i do????

Ive already read the article about ick.

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Crush two tbs minced mint leaves (no stems) with the juice of two limes, two tbs of sugar and a shot of light rum. Marinade eight cleaned jumbo shrimp for two hours in fridge or overnight (overnight is best). Skewer and salt shrimp. Broil or grill over medium high heat until shrimp become opaque (apx. two and a half min per side). Serve with black beans cooked with garlic, green onions, bacon and topped with a slice of lime.
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Old 11-18-2003, 12:12 AM   #2
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Remove them to a quarantine tank and treat with either hyposalinity or Copper. If that is not possible you can try adding garlic to their foods or one othe the other "reefsafe" ick treatments. I have had luck with STOP Parasites, but know many more that haven't, same can be said for rid ick by ruby reef.
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Old 11-18-2003, 02:40 AM   #3
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is there a treatment that i can use with out harming the other guys [inverts]` in the main(read as only) tank?
how long do i have till the fish start to die????

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Crush two tbs minced mint leaves (no stems) with the juice of two limes, two tbs of sugar and a shot of light rum. Marinade eight cleaned jumbo shrimp for two hours in fridge or overnight (overnight is best). Skewer and salt shrimp. Broil or grill over medium high heat until shrimp become opaque (apx. two and a half min per side). Serve with black beans cooked with garlic, green onions, bacon and topped with a slice of lime.
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Old 11-18-2003, 03:06 AM   #4
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ReefRunner,
I read your post about ich. I was wondering if you are considering revising the portion about hyposalinity. A specific gravity of 1.015 is way to high to kill ich. A salinity of 16ppt (not SG) or lower is required to interrupt the life cycle. I would be happy to help if you send me an email.
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Old 11-18-2003, 03:30 AM   #5
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After attempting the afore mentioned, buy an odd amount of cleaner shrimp 3,5,etc. If any ich reoccurs, these guys are FANATICS.
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Cleaner shrimp will look busy but they probably won't cure the ich.
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Old 11-18-2003, 09:57 AM   #7
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Cleaner shrimp will look busy but they probably won't cure the ich.
Agreed, and email sent..thankyou.

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is there a treatment that i can use with out harming the other guys [inverts]` in the main(read as only) tank?
how long do i have till the fish start to die????
There are many products that claim to be reefsafe, but they are hit or miss at best. The problem with "reefsafe" cures, is that the ick your trying to kill is an invert so effective treatments are harmfull to your wanted inverts. As for how long...that really depends. Many years ago I had a pair of skunkclowns that got ick after being moved from my 90g reef to my 150g reef, these fish had ick for about a year before I used the Stop Parasites, the ick finally went away. This is a not to uncommon condition in a reef tank, but it is hardly something you can count on, typically once you see it on the fish it isn't but a few days maybe a week before the fish start to die. I am not aware of any good ick meds for a tank with inverts. Many profess the use of garlic and as noted I know some that have had success with some of the "reefsafe" meds, but most don't, IME.
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Old 11-18-2003, 09:20 PM   #8
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my lfs told me to use organi-cure? any opinions?
also he told me that ick lays eggs and that the eggs can live in the sand for years and that the only way to get rid of it is to remove all the inverts from the tank and treat the tank with copper.
my fear is that this would kill all the other good things living on the live rock.

i just want to do the right thing!!!!
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Crush two tbs minced mint leaves (no stems) with the juice of two limes, two tbs of sugar and a shot of light rum. Marinade eight cleaned jumbo shrimp for two hours in fridge or overnight (overnight is best). Skewer and salt shrimp. Broil or grill over medium high heat until shrimp become opaque (apx. two and a half min per side). Serve with black beans cooked with garlic, green onions, bacon and topped with a slice of lime.
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Originally Posted by [url=http://www.wetwebmedia.com/copperprodfaqs.htm
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Hello Bob,
<<Hi, JasonC here... Bob is off diving in some tropical place...>>
As happens too often I have stayed up way too late reading through faqs on your site. In looking through your faqs I noticed that you do not seem to like Organicure (Copper 1.25% and formaldehyde 17%) as a treatment. My question is why?... since both copper and formalin are recommended in other faqs. Okay, I'll admit the name is misleading and the "safe for shrimps and crabs" thing is BS. <<I'd rather not speak for Bob, but my guess for his apparent dislike of Organicure would be your aforementioned claim on the label about being safe for inverts, which it obviously is not based on the ingredients. I think perhaps also because as a combined cocktail, the average hobbyist can do a lot of damage with this brew. These are only guesses though... personally, I've also used Organicure to good success in my quarantine tanks so...>>
However, I have been using Organicure quite successfully (although not according to directions) since I can remember for both crypto, velvet, and pretty much any thing that looks like white spots. My treatment routine is 1 drop organicure per 2 gallons (half the recommended dosage) repeated daily for four days. If this fish are tolerating this very well I sometimes increase the dosage up to 1 drop per 1.5 gallons, depends on the species. <<Hmm, we differ here... I strictly stick with the directions, and have will no ill effects.>> I have "burned" fish using the recommended 1 drop per gallon. <<Ah well... we all have different experiences I suppose. No worries, though.>> In most cases the fish are free of visible parasites by the third day, if not I do a freshwater dip and complete the treatment. I have successfully treated a wide variety of animals including sensitive species such as butterflies this way with no ill effects. Although, in case you post this, <<Oh... it will be posted, of that we can be sure.>> I should note that occasionally I have had a reoccurrence of the parasite after a week or two so I keep a close watch on the animals for 2 - 3 weeks following treatment.
Just thought I would share this with you.
<<And indeed, thank you for sharing.>>
Thanks for the helpful site, Richard
<<Cheers, J -- >>
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also he told me that ick lays eggs and that the eggs can live in the sand for years and that the only way to get rid of it is to remove all the inverts from the tank and treat the tank with copper.
I only have one word for that... BULL. If the fish are removed, the food source is removed and the parasite cannot survive. They also do not lay eggs. Once the trophont leaves the fish host it attaches to a hard surface where it will form a cyst called a tomont in which it divides itself until there are upwards of a few hundred theronts that can potentially be released to re-infect the fish population still present, although very few theronts actually make it to a host.

I would suggest reading this article. It covers some of the basics as well as dispelling some of the more common myths...

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