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Old 08-01-2008, 10:09 PM   #11
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ok update...still lots of bumps! SOMEONE HELP!! lol ...I was able to get more photos that are less blurry. As noted ive already treated with Ich guard thinking thats what it may be, still adding garlic to the food, did a water change, yesterday did a formalin dip for 30min, nothing is improving, nothing is getting worse, no fish is infected with whatever it is. Brought the pic to the LFS and they said doesnt look like ich but doesnt know what it is either. But Puffer is very very itchy, scratches alot! I also treated tank water with Melafix because Trigger had bites all over him (finally found trigger a new home) ....I am sure the puffer is very stressed and tired of all these treatments, im trying to figure it out the best I can. Luckily puffer still eats good and is swimming around. But im out of options on what to do???


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Old 08-01-2008, 10:45 PM   #12
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Its marine ich, your going to have to set up a quarantine tank go to this link, the thread is about what you will need to setup the quarantine tank
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-you dont need to cycle it or put any live rock in, as long as u use aged saltwater
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Old 08-01-2008, 10:53 PM   #13
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Its marine ich, your going to have to set up a quarantine tank go to this link, the thread is about what you will need to setup the quarantine tank
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-you dont need to cycle it or put any live rock in, as long as u use aged saltwater
Well I had thought it was ich, but why doesnt it get worse and why doesnt any fish have it, its been a week since it came out. Im also being told by other sites and my lfs its not ich! im confused
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Old 08-02-2008, 12:44 AM   #14
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-you dont need to cycle it or put any live rock in, as long as u use aged saltwater
Just want to point out that using aged saltwater doesn't eliminate the fact that the tank WILL cycle if there is no biological filtration in it. Without a biofilter of some sort that's seeded with bacteria, you'll have to keep up on the water changes to keep the ammonia levels down.

The original pictures didn't look like ich to me, but these latest ones are starting to make me think it could be. It may not be ich, but it sure looks like some parasitic problem. Whatever the problem, I'd get it in a QT now... cycled or not. Your other fish may not be having an issue yet because their health is better.
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Do these white spots fall off and then reappear?
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Do these white spots fall off and then reappear?
Yes im guessing they are falling off, they come and go, less or more sometimes, but you can not rub them off
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Then it is ick. What will happen is the speck will fall off to the bottom and over 200 little ones will come from that one. It then goes through the process again and it keeps on repeating till something breaks the life cycle. I would reccomend QT and hypo.
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First off, when exactly are these spots showing up? In other words, do you notice them more during certain parts of the day or activity levels? Right off the bat it looks to be a natural skin development that does occur in all Arothron species and possibly stimulated on the "emotions" or stress-response at the time being. For example, I care for a black Arothron nigropunctatus (Black dogface) that extends white "goose bumps" if frightened/stressed and is almost entirely covered by them during its night/sleep phase. You mention the puffer is scratching against rock structures, etc. so I would quarantine this animal, hyposalinity treatment, and deworm. I don't believe this is ich, but the scratching is still a concern and especially before open wounds are created. Puffers should alwas be treated for worms upon arrival; hence why quarantine is so important.
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First off, when exactly are these spots showing up? In other words, do you notice them more during certain parts of the day or activity levels? Right off the bat it looks to be a natural skin development that does occur in all Arothron species and possibly stimulated on the "emotions" or stress-response at the time being. For example, I care for a black Arothron nigropunctatus (Black dogface) that extends white "goose bumps" if frightened/stressed and is almost entirely covered by them during its night/sleep phase. You mention the puffer is scratching against rock structures, etc. so I would quarantine this animal, hyposalinity treatment, and deworm. I don't believe this is ich, but the scratching is still a concern and especially before open wounds are created. Puffers should alwas be treated for worms upon arrival; hence why quarantine is so important.
Yes, first thing in the morning, he is completly covered in them! so im guessing during the night is when it occurs, then hours later hardly any. I know he has been stressed due to a Trigger fish biting him, but found a new home for the Trigger fish a couple days ago, but still bumps coming out. Yes he scratches on rocks, not as much as he used to. I do not have a QT tank, and it would take time to cycle one, so thats why I was treating the DT tank. This is the only thing in my tank now:
(1) Dogface Puffer
(1) Engineer Goby
(1) Lawn Mower Blenny
(1) Valentini Puffer
choc chip starfish, crabs, urchin
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It is quite common to see them in the morning and especially if indirect lighting is used. These puffers are relatively shy compared to others, but with a lot of personality. Ick/Ich Guard, thought Jungle Labs only created a fw version? I would stop treatment and rely upon garlic since most medications can cause havoc on your biological system in one form or another. Personally I think the scratching was a stress response from the triggerfish, but either way you are better off setting up a quarantine now so you won't pay for it later. Keep up the water quality and make sure you feed that poofer a rounded diet!! <-be wary of excessive beak/teeth growth. If you do decide to stop treatment, take notes as to how it reacts, whether positively or negatively
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