Illness or stress? (with pics) - Aquarium Advice

Angel.Zero · 02-20-2006, 12:19 PM

I just started my tank yesterday. I am just curious if this is illness or just stress from cycling. He has white poop, and just sits in the corner of the tank. I have not observed him eating yet. he is in a 10 gallon with 2.3 lbs of live rock (cured). Water tests are all ok (like I said just started yesterday) He has been doing this since he went into the tank. Any ideas??

localhost · 02-20-2006, 10:36 PM

Since you say, "I started yesterday", I take that to mean you didn't cycle the tank first before putting the fish in. How did you acclimate the fish? Is he gilling fast and heavy? Is he moving his fins much?

Just need some more information on how exactly the fish is acting.

Angel.Zero · 02-20-2006, 11:42 PM

he was moving his mouth alot and not moving his fins much... but now he seems fine... he is swimming about the tank and eating now. I dunno, I am confused. As far as acclimation goes I got cured live rock from the same tank he was in and added them both to the new setup.

seaham358 · 02-21-2006, 11:14 AM

You need to read up on acclimation and what a cylce is.

http://www.aquariumadvice.com/articl...q=2&fldAuto=18
http://www.aquariumadvice.com/articl...q=2&fldAuto=15

You need to test the water for ammonia, nitrites and nitrates. If the ammonia starts to rise then you need to either take the fish back and have the LFS hold it, or do small water changes to keep the levels low enough so the fish won't be stressed and possibly die.
You can not rush things in this hobby...

When doing a water change mix the new water in a clean bucket and mix for at least 24 hours before using it in the tank with fish. You also need to bring it up to the same temp as your tank, adding cold water will stress the fish.

localhost · 02-21-2006, 02:21 PM

More than likely he was in shock due to numerous issues that could have happened when he was put in the tank. Drastic change in temp, ph, salinity, etc. Luckily they are hardy fish and can take the abuse (not that they should or that you meant to). Go ahead and get some more 'Cured' live rock if you can. If your not sure if it is cured, just put it in a small rubbermaid tube with am airstone or PH to circulate the water and cure it. For a 10, it is recommended to have 10-15 lbs of rock.

What type of sand are you using?

Most important now is to test the water daily (if not twice), and do a small water change each time to try to prevent a bad ammonia spike.

Also, I would only feed a little every 3 days for the time being to help keep the ammonia at bay. Once you've cycled, increase to every other day.

Check your salinity everyday at least and top it off if it starts to rise with RODI water. The fish is going to go through a little more stress more than likely, just try to limit it as much as possible.

Angel.Zero · 02-21-2006, 03:46 PM

as far as acclimation I floated him for 20 min. I was unaware of the differance in salinity (I am now more aware of acclimation) I check my tanks 2-3 times a day and top-off or pwc as needed.I now have 3.5 pnds of live rock. I will keep adding more until I have 12-14 pnds of it. thank you everyone for the help

**melosu58** · 02-21-2006, 07:57 PM

Did you not cycle this tank? You need to read up and understand what you are doing. If you have not cycled then you are putting your fish through horrendous situation. This is not fresh water.

mak1969 · 02-22-2006, 08:01 AM

Melosu58,
Maybe it is just me but your message sound rather rude. Angelzero needs help and your attitude will turn them away from a good source of information. You need to remember that not everyone has been doing this as long as you and could benefit from your knowledge.

Angel.Zero · 02-22-2006, 01:59 PM

mak: thanks for the defence : )

Melosu: I did not previously know about the "fishless" cycle methods that you guys use so the clown is cycling the tank but the live rock should help since it comes from an established tank at my lfs.

The clown is doing very well now, I think it was the stress from the lack of proper acclimation so any newbies readying this... Properly acclimate your fish

seaham358 · 02-22-2006, 05:54 PM

have you checked any levels?? ammonia, nitrate,nitrite? This way you know if you need to do a water change to keep the levels low so the fish may live.

02-20-2006, 12:19 PM	#1
Angel.Zero Aquarium Advice Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 93 Images: 2	Illness or stress? (with pics) I just started my tank yesterday. I am just curious if this is illness or just stress from cycling. He has white poop, and just sits in the corner of the tank. I have not observed him eating yet. he is in a 10 gallon with 2.3 lbs of live rock (cured). Water tests are all ok (like I said just started yesterday) He has been doing this since he went into the tank. Any ideas?? __________________ 55 Gallon ? MTS 3 Bamboo shrimp 7 Julii Cory 2 Pictus catfish 240w CF 10,000k (4.3w/g) Pressurized Co2

02-20-2006, 10:36 PM	#2
localhost Aquarium Advice Activist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Memphis Posts: 193 Images: 16	Since you say, "I started yesterday", I take that to mean you didn't cycle the tank first before putting the fish in. How did you acclimate the fish? Is he gilling fast and heavy? Is he moving his fins much? Just need some more information on how exactly the fish is acting. __________________ 45G Reef - 65#'s of LR, 3" sand bed, Fluval 304 filled with LR rubble, (2) MJ900, SeaClone 100 protein skimmer with MJ1200 Fish - Ocellaris Clown, Royal Gramma, Purple Firefish, Coral Beauty, Blue Neon Goby Coral - Xenia, Devil's Hand Leather, Toadstool Leather, Green Hairy Mushrooms, Zoanthids Inverts - (2) Peppermint Shrimp, Scarlet Cleaner Shrimp, (5) Turbo Snails, (4) Nassarius Snails, (10) Blue Leg Hermits, Emerald Crab, (3) Scarlett Crabs, some small starfish(hitchhikers) My Aquarium Photos

02-20-2006, 11:42 PM	#3
Angel.Zero Aquarium Advice Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 93 Images: 2	he was moving his mouth alot and not moving his fins much... but now he seems fine... he is swimming about the tank and eating now. I dunno, I am confused. As far as acclimation goes I got cured live rock from the same tank he was in and added them both to the new setup. __________________ 55 Gallon ? MTS 3 Bamboo shrimp 7 Julii Cory 2 Pictus catfish 240w CF 10,000k (4.3w/g) Pressurized Co2

02-21-2006, 11:14 AM	#4
seaham358 Aquarium Advice Addict Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2004 Location: Poughkeepsie, NY Posts: 3,296 Images: 21	You need to read up on acclimation and what a cylce is. http://www.aquariumadvice.com/articl...q=2&fldAuto=18 http://www.aquariumadvice.com/articl...q=2&fldAuto=15 You need to test the water for ammonia, nitrites and nitrates. If the ammonia starts to rise then you need to either take the fish back and have the LFS hold it, or do small water changes to keep the levels low enough so the fish won't be stressed and possibly die. You can not rush things in this hobby... When doing a water change mix the new water in a clean bucket and mix for at least 24 hours before using it in the tank with fish. You also need to bring it up to the same temp as your tank, adding cold water will stress the fish. __________________ 9/02-125 REEF, 125 lbs LR,LS 4x160 VHO, Reef Devil /Sump, Fuge 7/03-55 FOWLR 60lb LR, 50 lb SD sand 2x40 NO strip light, Reef Devil/sump, Fuge TANK PICS http://www.aquariumadvice.com/viewtopic.php?t=98202

02-21-2006, 02:21 PM	#5
localhost Aquarium Advice Activist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Memphis Posts: 193 Images: 16	More than likely he was in shock due to numerous issues that could have happened when he was put in the tank. Drastic change in temp, ph, salinity, etc. Luckily they are hardy fish and can take the abuse (not that they should or that you meant to). Go ahead and get some more 'Cured' live rock if you can. If your not sure if it is cured, just put it in a small rubbermaid tube with am airstone or PH to circulate the water and cure it. For a 10, it is recommended to have 10-15 lbs of rock. What type of sand are you using? Most important now is to test the water daily (if not twice), and do a small water change each time to try to prevent a bad ammonia spike. Also, I would only feed a little every 3 days for the time being to help keep the ammonia at bay. Once you've cycled, increase to every other day. Check your salinity everyday at least and top it off if it starts to rise with RODI water. The fish is going to go through a little more stress more than likely, just try to limit it as much as possible. __________________ 45G Reef - 65#'s of LR, 3" sand bed, Fluval 304 filled with LR rubble, (2) MJ900, SeaClone 100 protein skimmer with MJ1200 Fish - Ocellaris Clown, Royal Gramma, Purple Firefish, Coral Beauty, Blue Neon Goby Coral - Xenia, Devil's Hand Leather, Toadstool Leather, Green Hairy Mushrooms, Zoanthids Inverts - (2) Peppermint Shrimp, Scarlet Cleaner Shrimp, (5) Turbo Snails, (4) Nassarius Snails, (10) Blue Leg Hermits, Emerald Crab, (3) Scarlett Crabs, some small starfish(hitchhikers) My Aquarium Photos

02-21-2006, 03:46 PM	#6
Angel.Zero Aquarium Advice Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 93 Images: 2	as far as acclimation I floated him for 20 min. I was unaware of the differance in salinity (I am now more aware of acclimation) I check my tanks 2-3 times a day and top-off or pwc as needed.I now have 3.5 pnds of live rock. I will keep adding more until I have 12-14 pnds of it. thank you everyone for the help __________________ 55 Gallon ? MTS 3 Bamboo shrimp 7 Julii Cory 2 Pictus catfish 240w CF 10,000k (4.3w/g) Pressurized Co2

02-21-2006, 07:57 PM	#7
melosu58 SW 10 yrs and over Community Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Richmond Va Posts: 12,695 Images: 80	Did you not cycle this tank? You need to read up and understand what you are doing. If you have not cycled then you are putting your fish through horrendous situation. This is not fresh water. __________________ View My Tanks http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1...8/melosu58.jpg Click here to Visit FantasyReef

02-22-2006, 08:01 AM	#8
mak1969 Aquarium Advice Apprentice Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lafayette, Indiana Posts: 40 Images: 3	Melosu58, Maybe it is just me but your message sound rather rude. Angelzero needs help and your attitude will turn them away from a good source of information. You need to remember that not everyone has been doing this as long as you and could benefit from your knowledge.

02-22-2006, 01:59 PM	#9
Angel.Zero Aquarium Advice Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 93 Images: 2	mak: thanks for the defence : ) Melosu: I did not previously know about the "fishless" cycle methods that you guys use so the clown is cycling the tank but the live rock should help since it comes from an established tank at my lfs. The clown is doing very well now, I think it was the stress from the lack of proper acclimation so any newbies readying this... Properly acclimate your fish __________________ 55 Gallon ? MTS 3 Bamboo shrimp 7 Julii Cory 2 Pictus catfish 240w CF 10,000k (4.3w/g) Pressurized Co2

02-22-2006, 05:54 PM	#10
seaham358 Aquarium Advice Addict Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2004 Location: Poughkeepsie, NY Posts: 3,296 Images: 21	have you checked any levels?? ammonia, nitrate,nitrite? This way you know if you need to do a water change to keep the levels low so the fish may live. __________________ 9/02-125 REEF, 125 lbs LR,LS 4x160 VHO, Reef Devil /Sump, Fuge 7/03-55 FOWLR 60lb LR, 50 lb SD sand 2x40 NO strip light, Reef Devil/sump, Fuge TANK PICS http://www.aquariumadvice.com/viewtopic.php?t=98202

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