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Old 07-16-2004, 02:27 AM   #21
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We may not be not be animal rights activists, but I'm glad we're not so calloused that we disregard the quality of life for the fish altogether.
Actually, you might be suprised how conservative I am in my politics 8)
You have however found my weak spot.......animals. In this area I am quite liberal....lol
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Old 07-16-2004, 02:34 AM   #22
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Actually, you might be suprised how conservative I am in my politics
Bush/Giuliani 2004

Yes, I said, Giuliani. I don't think Cheney is electible as pres in 2008 and I want another 8 years.
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Old 07-16-2004, 02:36 AM   #23
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Dosent make sense to me that every fish I and all of you have came from some guy with a net out in the ocean.
I've read that as much as 90% of SW livestock is harvested from the wild. FWIW, someone recently posted a pic in a thread on this site of an sps "super tank", like 200 gal, private owner, w/ a school of idols gliding through the bottom of the pic. Apparently some w/ enough lr, etc. are able to keep them.
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Actually, you might be suprised how conservative I am in my politics
Bush/Giuliani 2004

Yes, I said, Giuliani. I don't think Cheney is electible as pres in 2008 and I want another 8 years.
Hmmm, interesting. I do like Cheney, I hope his health holds. Rudy's divorce would hurt him IMO.
GW better win, this war on terrorism is too important.
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Yes, I said, Giuliani. I don't think Cheney is electible as pres in 2008 and I want another 8 years.
all I can say is wow... Brings into mind -"you should never talk politics in a bar" or apparently a fish forum
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I agree on the stat above, most saltwater fish are caught from the wild, but definitely not from one guy. these fish are caught from all over the world. Hopefully someday more people will figure out how to breed saltwater fish and coral and more of these animals be able to stay in the wild. I myself am trying to contribute to that.

Some fish like idols can have the best water quality possible and eat regularly but still perish. I think it is more of a space issue than anything. Some fish just need a lot of room to swim and wont stand for a small space. you think you can keep a yellow tail in even a 500 gal aquarium?
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dont get me wrong I love animals generally more the people but I also like to eat them and wear them as well.
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I just cant stand when someone gets out there soap box.
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I don't mind eating them, but we arnt cavemen anymore, we dont need fur to keep us warm!
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My fish are my pets, I feel for them like one does for a dog or a cat. Actually since I started diving 8 years ago and later my aquarium, I stopped eating seafood all together....but.
Not everyone feel this way and there isn't much one can do. Fish are certainly ornemental to many. face it, how many of you have cleaner shrimp as pets, but still chow down on them at Red Lobster? Nothing wrong with this, just our difference of opinions.
This is how operations survive that sell questionable livestock. Either people don't care, or are quicky discouraged (like I almost was) when something fails. either way, they still make money.
where we need to stick together is in education of new hobbiests. This is where we can make a difference.
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