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Old 08-03-2010, 01:57 PM   #11
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We changed the puffer into yet a 2nd QT tank, and are starting hypo. He is not looking good, although the spots seem to be less, he is breathing heavier and not moving really or eating. I took about 8gal from my DT and the rest was freshwater. So, we are starting the hypo...I hope he makes it. Does this sound normal in this case? Also, should I add the Ick-Attack to the hypo QT tank or leave it alone? I am at a complete loss here...The fish I got from the LFS in the DT look and ack fine, the puffer, which I got from a friend is the only one showing signs of sickness...

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Old 08-03-2010, 02:25 PM   #12
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Do NOT add anythinig to the QT tank. Just do the PWC's to get the SG down to 1.009 and keep it there for 4 weeks (minimim).

The first few week you need to keep an eye on the water parameters. Unless you moved some biological filter from the DT tank to the QT you are in effect cycling the tank with the puffer. You need to do 2x/day, 20% water changes to maintain parameters. The fish is sick and needs pristine water to help it fight.

Did you read the articles?

Then you know that the only way to be Ich free in the future is to remove all fish from the DT for 4 - 6 weeks and QT all of them. I would just treat them all with Hypo to make sure.

Good luck and please keep us posted on your progress.
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When doinig the PWC's siphon the bottom glass. That will help remove any detritus as well as any protomont and tomonts on the bottom.

BTW, I keep a biowheel in my sump for use in my QT tank. That way I always have a bit of a biological filter if I buy something new.
I only had Ich once, but getting all of the fish out of a 125 with almost 200 pounds of LR is a major pain.
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the puffer is in the 2nd QT tank (14g) and I put 10g of the water with perfect levels from the DT, into the QT. I added another 2g of new saltwater to the mix.

puffer is now on the glass bottom, breathing heavy and not doing much moving. he has no appetite and appears to be struggling. he was taken out of the 1st QT tank which had coppersafe, dipped into FW for about 5 minutes, then added to this 2nd tank with good established water.

he still has white spots on him, and now there are no meds in the 2nd tank. how fast can i bring down the salinity, as i dont think the puffer is going to make it until tomorrow morning ? salinity is now 1.020
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Dont drop the salinity quickly as it will harm the fish. I believe people take at least a week dropping down to the right spot. A little each day or so. I know its hard to have faith, but at this point its all you got. A sudden change in salinity could do him in altogether. If you are at 1.020 right now, drop it to 1.018 or so. Continue each day (every 24 hours) until you are at 1.009.
Maybe someone here can chime in on how fast it can be done in an emergency situation?
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The salinity can be dropped over 36-48 hours. Drop it .002 every 4-6 hours til you hit .009. Make sure you whip up a batch of fresh SW at 1.009 for the twice daily 20% water changes, your going to need it. Good luck!

After the 4 week treatment, you can NOT raise the SG back to normal in 36-48 hours though, takes like a week.
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I would start dooing 10% PWC with NEW sw mixed to 1.009 twice a day.
Have you tested for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate in the QT?
What about pH? All are hard to maintain in lower SG.

You need to keep doing small PWC's (10%) to keep the water in prisitne conditions for the puffer.
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Can anyone provide me documentation that copper kills bacteria? I was told by my LFS that copper only kills parasites not bacteria.
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The puffer died this morning. Absolutely disheartening. I appreciate the advice and will know to detect earlier on, treat immediately, and go with hyposalinity treatment over copper.

Now that I drained the 29g QT, I want to make it into a DT, what is the best way to go about getting the traces of copper out of the tank, and the copper off of its filter and heater, as those will be used again for a DT tank over a QT?
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The puffer died this morning. Absolutely disheartening. I appreciate the advice and will know to detect earlier on, treat immediately, and go with hyposalinity treatment over copper.

Now that I drained the 29g QT, I want to make it into a DT, what is the best way to go about getting the traces of copper out of the tank, and the copper off of its filter and heater, as those will be used again for a DT tank over a QT?

Very sorry to hear that. :-( Its always hard to see an animal get sick and die while being treated...

Any tank that has had copper in it is a risk for any future inverts and bacteria. You really shouldnt use that QT for a DT now that its been contaminated. Copper absorbs into the tank and will leach back out and kill.

If you must use it, I would constantly be running something like CupriSorb and testing for copper...
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