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Old 08-01-2010, 11:49 PM   #1
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Is This Ick on my Dogface Puffer - Using Coppersafe - Pictures Inside

My friend said this was ick on my dogface puffer, so I moved him into a QT an hour ago, and added 1/2 recommended dosage of coppersafe (since the puffer is more sensitive to copper).
  • Does this look like ich to you ?
  • How long do I keep the fish inside this tank with the 1/2 dose of coppersafe already applied ?
  • Temp is 79 and salinity is 1.020
Also, the puffer tucked one of his side fins inside his gill before, and then pulled it back out, so Im thinking whatever this is, is bothering him.







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Old 08-02-2010, 12:22 AM   #2
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Looks like ick to me. If that's the case. It's too early to kill it. The temp is fine at 79. When the spots start really going away is the time to treat it. When you stop seeing all the spots that means that it is free floating and is vulnerable to treatment.
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Old 08-02-2010, 12:48 AM   #3
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Puffers can be a pain when it comes to ich treatment. As you said, they don't play with copper to nicely. In my experience, best treatment for them is hyposalinity. I am currently doing a 4 week hypo stint on my brothers porcupine puffer (had it so bad I had to do a FW dip and prayed he would survive). I'm in week 2 of treatment and all the spots are gone and he's swimming around and eating fine again. May want to give that a try in the future if he ever gets ich again.
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Old 08-02-2010, 12:53 AM   #4
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we tried a few times giving him a freshwater dip, having him in it for 5 - 7 minute episodes. did this 3 times and didnt notice any changes.

i hear from the pros that the coppersafe works, just use less of the normal dosage for puffers due to their high sensitivity.

he is out of my 54g DT and now into my 29g QT, with coppersafe dosage already added into tank. i hope nothing happens with the 5 other Fish in my DT, which is being treated with organic ich attack.
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Old 08-02-2010, 10:57 AM   #5
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The FW dip is just to get some of the mature ich to fall off in very bad infestations. In order to see results, a treatment of hypo after the dip is needed.

How often are you doing water changes on the QT tank? Treating with copper kills the beneficial bacteria that is needed for the nitrogen cycle so you need to watch your amm/nitrite levels while using copper.

Here is a link to an article you should read about ich. Alot of good info and will include several tips on treatments.
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-08/sp/index.php
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Old 08-02-2010, 11:09 AM   #6
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Do have any filtration in the QT?
Are you monitoring for Ammonia?
You need to keep stable water parameters in QT, well actually you need to keep pristine water conditions in a hospital tank.
IMO that means daily 10% water changes at a minimum, with 20% being better.
That makes the copper treatment much harder which is why I only recommend Hyposaliniy as treatment for ICH!

As covered as that puffer is I would say you have Ich in the DT. The only way to eliminate it is to put all fish in QT and treat wil Hypo for 6 weeks while the main tank has no fish for that period of time. That is the life cycle of the parasite, so it will die off in the DT without any fish while you are curing the fish in the QT.
Here's how you do it:
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ICH articles
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issu...2003/mini1.htm
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issu...2003/mini2.htm
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issu...2004/mini3.htm
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issu...2004/mini4.htm
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issu...2004/mini5.htm

BTH, you now have copper in the QT so forget about using it as QT for any inverts,
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The white spots are now off my fish, but he is on the bottom breathing a little heavy. Now that a 1/2 dose of Coppersafe was added yesterday, when do i do water changes, how much per change, please advise.

QT is 29g and was first setup yesterday, meaning that the tank never had a chance to cycle first (but I used 10g of water from my DT and a sponge that had some beneficial bacteria on it, and inserted it into the QT)

Do I soak his food in garlic to boost immune system ?
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Since you added the copper, that makes the sponge you put in pretty much useless (copper kills all the bacteria present for the nitrogen cycle). Chances are he's breathing heavy because the ammonia levels are sky rocketing without the bacteria to break them down.I'd do a water change ASAP!

In order to maintain the correct copper levels, you have to mathematically figure out how much to add back to the tank after you remove and refill the water. For example, say you originally dosed 10ml of copper "stuff". If you remove 50% of the aquarium water and refill it, you'd have to add 5ml more copper to maintain the needed amount.

EDIT: As for the amount of water to change, take a reading of your amm/nitrite. If it is really high, do a major one (50% or greater) and you also may want to look into getting some Prime to neutralize the toxicity of the amm/nitrites.
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I did the water change, about 5 gallons and that should remove some of the ammonia. I will do another later tonight, prob another 5 gallons. The spots came back, is that normal? i thought once they fall of, they go to the bottom and start to die? I have no substrate in thier at all, should I add something (rinsed sand), not the agragonite as it will be killed by the copper? I also added a powerhead today to create more surface tenion and to further areate the water. I hope i don't lose him, he is a pretty cool little guy. We have become attached in the 6 weeks we have him.

Also, if i had nothing new to my tank for 6 weeks, how did the ICK get into the tank? I thought it had to come in on a fish? And the puffer wasn't/shouldn't have been stressed. Water in the DT was in good shape, 0 ammonia, 0 nitrate, 0 nitrate, salinity at 1.020, ph at 8.0-8.2
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I did the water change, about 5 gallons and that should remove some of the ammonia. I will do another later tonight, prob another 5 gallons. The spots came back, is that normal? i thought once they fall of, they go to the bottom and start to die? I have no substrate in thier at all, should I add something (rinsed sand), not the agragonite as it will be killed by the copper? I also added a powerhead today to create more surface tenion and to further areate the water. I hope i don't lose him, he is a pretty cool little guy. We have become attached in the 6 weeks we have him.

Also, if i had nothing new to my tank for 6 weeks, how did the ICK get into the tank? I thought it had to come in on a fish? And the puffer wasn't/shouldn't have been stressed. Water in the DT was in good shape, 0 ammonia, 0 nitrate, 0 nitrate, salinity at 1.020, ph at 8.0-8.2
Ick is a nasty lil critter. The copper treatment likely failed since you are dosing half the reccomended dose. Id say its time for hyposalinity, but you need to stop dosing the copper altogether. You will need a GOOD refractometer and a LOT of patience to do hypo.

The ICK likely was there all along waiting for a chance to attack. A lot of fish come down with it for many reasons. Thats why some people choose to pre-treat fish during QT before adding to the DT. Chemicals are nasty, but so are parasites!

Good luck, Ill be praying for ya!

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