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Old 07-28-2008, 04:04 PM   #1
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Unhappy Major fish loss, help a newbie

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I set up my RedSea Max 34 gallon marine aquarium on 5/19/08. Went through the cycle. I added my cleaning crew after week 3, and a few more crabs week 4. Week 5 added a Blenny. Everything still going great.

The following week I added three inexpensive Damsels (Yellowtail Blue, Striped and Chromis) and they did fine. The Striped seemed to have gotten Ich early on, in which I treated with ParaGuard) Seemed to do the trick. I thought that everything was still doing well as the Ich cleared up.

About two weeks later I added a Coral Beauty and it had Ich also.

After doing quite a lot of reading in your this Forum, I've discovered that I made many mistakes, although my water specs seemed to have always been pretty good.

Temp: 78f / Salinity: 1.022 / ph: 8.2 / Ammonia: 0 / Nitrite 0.05 / Nitrate 2.5. Still not sure how to read the Alk card that came with the kit although it seems to be "normal". Protien skimmer is working very well.

I learned a valuable lesson with water changes, I didn't know to mix it 24 hours before and I may have been responsible for killing more fish after the Ich. Lesson learned!!

I lost the Blenny today and I am down to only the Chromis and my cleaning crew (crabs and shrimp).

How can I salvage my aquarium? Would the Hyposalinity procedure take care of the suspected parasite problem? and will it kill everything else in my tank?
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If you had any NitrIte present in the tank that is probably the cause of the deaths. NitrIte and Ammonia are deadly to fish.

I think you added fish before you were completely through your cycle. Also the amount of fish you had in the tank could have played a role in your issues. Too many fish too quickly could have increased your ammonia levels. Your tank being new the bacteria colony didn't have time to catch up to the demands.

I would get the fish and inverts out of the tank and let it finish the cycle.

How much live rock do you have in the tank? How much sand? What did you do to cycle the tank?
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Regarding the ich, it sounds like you've done some reading up on it and realize that your original "cure" didn't cure it - you just witnessed the normal life cycle of ich... it comes and goes.

If hypo is done in your main tank, you'll lose any inverts (crabs/snails). Normal recommendation is to move the fish to a quarantine tank, do hypo over the course of 6-8 weeks, and while you're doing that let your main tank go fishless for the same time period. That will break the ich cycle and kill most if not all of them. After all that's over, you can put the fish back into the tank. Leave the crabs and snails in the main tank - they're OK.
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NO2 has virtually no effect on fish and there is always trace amounts of NO2 if using higher end testing equipment. My first advice is to set up a quarantine tank and quarantine all incoming purchases for at least a month. Secondly, I take it you treated Paraguard within the main system? If you are treating for a parasite, regardless of the medication, you do it in a separate container. As long as the water is thoroughly mixed it can be used in a couple hours for emergency situations, but aging 24hrs is best. Hyposalinity should be performed in a quarantine tank. Here is a starter article for you: An Ounce of Prevention is Worth a Pound of Cure: A Quarantine Tank for Everything by Steven Pro - Reefkeeping.com
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Liveaquaria says "Nitrite is also toxic to fish, and must be converted to nitrate by bacteria". If it was me I would QT your fish and treat them for ick with hypo. The main will need to stay fishless for about 8 weeks.

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I couldn't remember the exact total weight of the live rock, I hope the attached photo helps. My wife informed me that it was 5 weeks before the first fish went into the tank. The cleaning crew went before. The only thing I had to go on was the instructions from RedSea. Add water/gravel (they were very specific with the water/salt mix). I added the live rock went in the following day. I could be very wrong now, but at the time I thought that we were very conservative before adding fish. Thank you for your reply.

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If you had any NitrIte present in the tank that is probably the cause of the deaths. NitrIte and Ammonia are deadly to fish.

I think you added fish before you were completely through your cycle. Also the amount of fish you had in the tank could have played a role in your issues. Too many fish too quickly could have increased your ammonia levels. Your tank being new the bacteria colony didn't have time to catch up to the demands.

I would get the fish and inverts out of the tank and let it finish the cycle.

How much live rock do you have in the tank? How much sand? What did you do to cycle the tank?
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TY! This is such a great forum, I only wish that I found it before my fish deaths. I'm on way to the store to get supplies for a Q tank.
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Just make sure you read that thread posted earlier about a QT. Great article. Read this on ick.


Marine Ich/Cryptocaryon irritans - A Discussion of this Parasite and the Treatment Options Available, Part I by Steven Pro - Reefkeeping.com

Marine Ich/Cryptocaryon irritans - A Discussion of this Parasite and the Treatment Options Available, Part II by Steven Pro - Reefkeeping.com
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