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Old 02-20-2006, 10:43 AM   #1
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Major xenia crash. Things dying now.

On Saturday morning, things looked weird. My tang was acting funny/lethargic. Fluff came by to visit and we didn't think any more of it until later I noticed the xenia - both pom pom and elongata loking withdrans and discolored. Frankly I had too much in the tank. Any way, as of last nite, I pulled most of it out. Got brown stuff that leaks from it when punctured - as I do when pulling it off or cutting it. My other zoos are taking a hit too. The leathers and shrooms seem to be making it thru so far. Did a 25% or so PWC Saturday nite and will do another today, and maybe tomorrow. Fluff, thanks for being there all day Saturday with me on the back and forth PMs.

The fish, dusters, crabs and snails are all doing fine now too, but I'm thinking I'm gonna lose all my zoos. Worried about my deresa too.

Anybody got any experiences to share? Things to look out for? No xenia jungle for me any more. Tanks looks so weird now. Sigh.
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Old 02-20-2006, 12:01 PM   #2
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I'm sorry Ray. When mine crashed, I was completely clueless and lost my other corals. Granted I only had a few. It doesn't give you alot of warning in my experience but I'm hoping that since you are being diligent and I think you caught it pretty early Sat that your tank will recover. Keep us posted and in a week or two, I'm giving my tank a trim and will have some things that should help to fill the void if you want them.
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Old 02-20-2006, 12:49 PM   #3
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what makes xenia crash like that?
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Old 02-20-2006, 05:54 PM   #4
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Unknown it seems. I've read conflicting findings. Well, not conflicting so much as different. Some say its a seasonal thing in the wild. Or fresh water from rains. Some say iodine depletion. Some say because you can have too much densely packed in where if suffocates in its own mucus.

Just as much is the mystery about why some pump and others don't. Why pumping in one tank, yet ceasing to pump in another.

My leading candidates for crash were most likely being too dense in my tank. Or better yet, I hadn't done a water change in about 3 months - maybe lacking iodine from the fresh salt water mix - which again are not conclusive.

But, I did just read xenia being described as a Pheonix. Forgot what month, but TFH mag has an article talking about xenia crashing and rising again. Most tear it all out of the tank, which I did. The article went on to say that that wasn't necessary. Fluff got to me too late - after my panic attack. If dead, it turns into a jelley like substance. When crashing, just gets brown and weak looking. Still, I needed to thin out anyway. I've got maybe 5% of what I used to have, both elongata and pom pom. The LFS and Fluff, who got some the morning I noticed someting strange both have xenia still looking alright. My crisis seemed to happen w/in a 24 hr period.

My zoos don't look as bad as they did yesterday, but they aren't opening. Still encouraging.
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Old 02-20-2006, 07:17 PM   #5
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Was this a natural overgrowth of Xenia? My Xenia is reproducing like mad. Should I get rid of some of it? If so, any tips?

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Don't know what it was definitively, but overgrowth can be a cause by some accounts. When it was healthy, I could grab a thick piece and peel it off the rock. Affixed it to a small piece of rock with a rubberband and toothpick. Sold'm to the LFS after removing the toothpick and stuff. I should have done it more. I had too much in there, I believe but I was lovin' the lush pulsing, flowing, full tank thing. I believe it was too much now. I've got a slight ammonia increase today, so I'm still experiencing this. We'll see what happens. Once branches get about baby finger thick with 2 or 3 branches on it, and attached to a small rock, your LFS might give you store credit for them.

Even though it seems mine will come back, I don't think I'll let it be as widespread as it was before this crash. I'll also keep up with water changes. Dosing with iodine is not needed IMO.
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Just as a side note, it is much easier to deal with xenia with scissors over pulling it off rock. Just snip it at the base and band it to a new rock. It will shrink up immediately, but within a few hours will be back to pulsing. I have had it go back to ulsing in the bowl while I was attaching it.
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Cutting it off rock meant a jelly that would grow back into another. Peeling it off the rock was real easy for the stuff I had because it was as thick as your thumb. That would have kept it thinner for me when it got that big/thick.
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so if you want it to thin out..you have to peel it from the rockwork?
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You dont' have to peel it. That's just Ray's choice of method. I use rubble pressed against the xenya. It will eventually move onto the new rock. Takes longer this way. I also have shaved it from the rocks taking a bit of rock with it.
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