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Old 11-23-2004, 11:05 AM   #11
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Basically he's saying that we can have 40-60" of fish in our 120. I don't think I'm going to win this battle
Sorry to say, everyone would loose in that situation ...and in a hurry too. Some very experienced people just advised you on a wise stocking plan. I would show him this post and have him browse the sick fish forum for a while. He may change his mind.
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Old 11-23-2004, 11:07 AM   #12
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If you're gonna go reef in the future, you might consider not doing angels at all. Some have luck, but most seem to think the question is not "if" the angels will nip at corals, but "when".

I'd also suggest you keep the wrasse. The six-line may work well for you. On a yellow fish - maybe the yellow tang? Last in the tank though. They get kinda territorial. There's also the foxface rabbbit. Ugly when sleeping or stressed though. I got a midas blenny recently. Great fish with an abundance of personality. "bout 4 inches at most maybe. Kinda yellow/gold in color with interesting motion to his swim. The canary blenny is really yellow, but you can't handle him with bare hands. Won't attack you or other fish, but has got a venomous bite.

I'd also second the 3 blue/green chromis choice.
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Old 11-23-2004, 11:54 AM   #13
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Well I can speak from experence I know someone who had a 90 gal tank with what must have been 5 tangs, foxface, perc clowns, and some other assorted fish. If his sump pump stopped for a period longer than just a few hours nearly all of his fish would be dead from suffication.

An example is he went to bed with a working pump. Woke up next morning to a quite tank. Found the pump tripped the breaker over night and nearly all his fish where dead. The cause... Lack of oxygen. Had the tank been 'properly' stocked the fish could have survived the power outage.

I have an 80 gal tank with the following fish load:

Powder blue tang
Coral beauty
Yellow goby X 2
blue damsel

In my 75 gal tank I have:

Yellow tang
Flame angel
damsel (was a three stripe yellow/blue damsel as a juvie)
(will add a pair of clowns in the future)

The rought and dirty rule of thumb I see most often is 1" of fish per 5gal of water. This rule of thumb was developed based on the oxygen level that saltwater can hold as well as the fact that many SW fish need more swimming room than the FW fish. This simple rule of thumb does not factor in other things like temperment, enviormental conditions like overall swimming room as compared to your aquascaping.

In the end there are people who have tanks that I would classify as overstocked that are suscessuful but the reality is that the final result is not overly natural. Overstocked tanks will be more disease prone as well as require more agressive skimming, filtration and water changing.
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:08 PM   #14
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Won't attack you or other fish, but has got a venomous bite.

Actually it's the spines on their fins that are venemous, not the bite.

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I think that's the foxface rabbitfish with the spines. The blenny has the bite.
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:20 PM   #15
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your revised list shows only one chromis. I think that having 3 would be nice. they would school and would look very pretty together.

( I think you could get away with 2 more if your filtration was high.)

as far as overstocking goes. Yes, it is a big deal to overstock your tank. Fish will die, diseases will run rampant, water will not stay in proper parameters. In Salt Water, Its a VERY big deal.
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Rocket, I meant to show 4 damsels total there (adding the 3 more that FF recommended). I think one big thing might make him happy enough .

My last list had me at 32" when you considered the 4 damsels. How's this? I'm at 32.5 now.

Yellow Tang (8)
Royal Gramma (3.5)
Percula Clown x2 (3)
Blue Chromis Damsel x3 (3)
Spotted (Pajama) Cardinal x2 (3)

I think as he sees the tank come to life he'll be a little less anxious to have a million fish in it. *crosses fingers*

Is there something with a lot of personality that you'd swap for gramma or does it have enough personality to add?

I appreciate all your help here (and so will my fish)!
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:42 PM   #17
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I like it. still, check out the Watchman Goby. or another bottom dwelling goby. they are very colorful and will add alot of intrest to the bottom of your tank. (you could probibly squeeze him in.)

now post your hardware list and let us pick that apart! LOL! :P
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:56 PM   #18
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Hardware is:

* Oceanic RR 120G with 2 overflows falling like mad into
* Proclear 200 wet/dry with built in skimmer and sump (I haven't removed the bio
balls yet though it is on my list of things to do; a little at a time).
* mag 1200 pump (pumping 1200g an hour though I'm not sure how much I loose
getting to the top of the tank) returning to opposing returns at the ends
of the tank
* a UV light (that I've yet to plug in-- don't want to kill off the good stuff while it is
trying to establish)
* Current Dual Sattelite with 2 10000K and 2 actinics (65w per)
* 85# of base rock
* 30# of gulf rock
* 30# of keys rock
(going to add 30# rock from LR.com--does anyone have experience with the coral rock that they sell?)

I don't have any power heads in the tank other than the 2 returns. How do I know if I have enough flow?
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If you were going to squeeze one more in would it be a wrasse or a goby? The yellow watchman is cute. What do you think of the Green Mandarinfish (goby) http://www.windowtothesea.com/displa...at=17&item=171 ?

The alternate would be the 6line wrasse.
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I don't like recommending Mandarins. They are not good for the home aquarium. Although you do have enough rock there to support a mandrin in about a year or so, note that they only eat copopods and will starve if a large enough copopod population doesn't exist.
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