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Old 04-04-2005, 12:21 PM   #31
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I would recommend getting a tank with an overflow chamber built in and pre-drilled. You can setup a DIY sump real cheap. Then you can put a bunch of LR rubble (cheap but good filtration) in there. A sump also allows you to hide your heater, thermometer, and other stuff.
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Old 04-04-2005, 05:00 PM   #32
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Well i am going with 55gallon tank by TOPFIN with oak stand. Using 1 bag of Instant saltwater(the bag with the "nemo, clownfish" on front for $19. Will 1 bag be eough for 55gal tank? I might just by the other 5 or 10 gal from LFS premixed water. Anyone aganist me mixing the 2?

I am buying 2 hydor theo heaters, 150 watt. IS that too much for 55gal tank? should i just get 2 50watts?

The question for the AA informants...someone told me to get a emperor filter HOS, 400gph its $70 here. but next to that, the store had,

Canister, Rena Filstar , xP2 300gph, $130.

1 Do i need both canister and hang on side? DOnt want to spend more than $150 for filter setup.
2 Since im starting live fish only (1) tang and 3 or 4 clowns (all store bred and from same tank) , some creatures on bottom floor, which one(filter) you reccommend or any new additions i should research buying.??
3 Do i need a skimmer for this set up?

I DO NOT plan on adding major live rock, maybe 5 to10 pounds in all for 2005. I know lighting and the skimmer is important for this.

Excited to come home from work/school and be on AA reading. Any comments or can answer my questions, im all ears!

soon to have 55gal ,sw fish only with 5 or 10lbs of LR by dec 2005. just want basis till i get my money right. college student
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Old 04-04-2005, 05:51 PM   #33
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The lighting/skimmer are not needed so much for the live rock as they are for corals down the road. The tang will not be happy in a tank with no rockwork. They really need significant rock work to feel at ease. My tangs love swimming through caves in and around the rock. A bare tank would be torture, IMO. With a 55 you're limited in the tang selection... hopefully you're looking to a YT?

I would get more rock, less filtration and only 2 clowns. 3 or 4 will not be as happy as 2 would be. Get them both small so that you have a better chance of them both being juvi when you put them in the tank.

Look for your local reefers club. You can likely find someone there looking to dump some LR. There's always somebody on the NJRC looking to get rid of rock, usually for between 3 & 4# a pound. Also to increase the likelihood that you won't be buying 3 and 4 of each of your fish try to cycle fishless!

Add the YT last because they are usually very dominant and may not like sharing their tank with others if added first. Add the 2 clowns first and then your next fish (assuming that you'll want something else like a gramma or a barnacle blenny to take the place of the other 2 clowns) and then after that your YT. Not all of them at once. Your tank won't be able to handle that type of demand (no matter what products your LFS sells you ).

Instant ocean is fine salt to use but I would just start with water from the LFS rather than making your own. In the long run it will cost you more to make your own (because of the algae battles you'll fight down the road using your tap water). You're also better off using a 'repeatable' process with your saltwater so that when you do water changes you will be using the same salt mix. Fish don't like change. Changing the salt mix on them is just one more variable they don't need.

Sounds like you're doing your research. What a great way to start!
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Old 04-04-2005, 05:57 PM   #34
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I use the Rena Filstar XP3 with my 55gallon. It works great. I know the XP3 is rated for something like a 150gallon tank, but my lsf was phasing them out, so I got it half-price.
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Old 04-06-2005, 04:16 PM   #35
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New SW thoughts.
This is going to be in my bed room
1. Which filter, the Canister, Rena Filstar , xP2 300gph or emperor filter HOS, 400gph produces less noise (tho im a heavy sleeper), anyone familar with these products?

2. Should i still buy the 150watt heaters, or just opt for the 50watts, (for a 55gal SW fish only tank)?

3. This maybe beyond newbie, but do the majority of LFS offer to come out to your house and setup the tanks, (of course ill ask my local store in time ) or is that a personal thing you/spend so much @ our store deal? LFS here seem uneducated in customer service, but once you approach them they *seem* to know all the SW answers. Anyone get help from their lfs? just curious.

Thanks again AA. back to the boards now!

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Old 04-06-2005, 10:58 PM   #36
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A lot of LFS's will give you great advice. But some will give you BAD advice and sell you things that should not be in your tank. Just gotta figure out if they are the real deal or not.
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Old 04-06-2005, 11:31 PM   #37
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I had to setup my tank for myself. In spite of the fact that they seem to sell a number of these setups it seemed like I was asking them questions about things that they'd never heard of before. They did their best to help me from a distance but they certainly didn't offer to come here and help set it up.

Can't help on Q1 & 2. Sorry! I'd go for 2 heaters no matter what you do because you'll want the backup system.
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Old 04-06-2005, 11:53 PM   #38
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phyl thanks, that tank picture 02-05 you have looks great. how much sand do you have? did u start will all live sand or mix with another sub. ? I dont want to spend all my money on LFS live sand and premixed water. im only getting 55gal for now till i get bigger bedroom.

what do you reccommend with clownfish and yt?
thanks

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Old 04-07-2005, 12:05 AM   #39
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Thanks! I'm pretty sure I started with 4 bags of sand. 2 aragalive and 2 aragonite. Knowing then what I know now? I'd have used 4 bags of playsand from Home Depot and Live Rock. I think all the critters (spaghetti worms, etc) that I have in my sand right now came from my LR and not some silly bag of dead live sand from the LFS. Waste of money there. I ended up putting my sand all up front and there's little to nothing actually under or behind my rock.

I'll make an effort not to sound like a broken record... but get as much LR from LiveRocks.com as you can afford. Take the money you would have spent on the live sand and other sand from LFS and the money you would have wasted on LR at your LFS and turn that into 35# of rock from liverocks or hirocks.com and 15# of keys rock from LR.com. Make all the other sacrifices necessary to be able to do this. I promise you won't be sorry! Your YT will thank you for years to come!
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Old 04-07-2005, 12:15 AM   #40
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phyl. thanks for the insight and detail, and speedy response!
so my thing with live rock..is i dont want to shell out big money on lighting and skimmer and sump since i am under 21 and paying for my own college way. SO IF i buy 35# from liverocks.com (which i have Read over 100 positive messages on AA) will i have to buy expensive lighting, or is that for corals? Should i wait till i have my tank cycled till i add the live rock, im still making my "shopping lists".

#2. I have read the post on playsand debate. but with so many options here in nashville of play sand. am i safe to use any sand that doesnt contain silica? what keywords or specifics should i look out for when i go to HD or lowes tomm?

I have listed some of the things i was going to go with in this post on page 2 or 3...check it out, give me some feedback. SO if i go with LR do i need to go with a canister or HOB filter? look in this post and i named 2 that are in my price range...you got anything to comment on them? or give a new reccomendation. DO u know which one is more quiet, since it will be in my room?

hope this isnt to much to ask of one person, anyone else can add as well. please im willing to read all.

thanks again TN (615)
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