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Old 04-07-2005, 12:50 AM   #41
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You do not need special lightening for LR. If you have corals or anemones or something then you would need more light. But a NO flourescent bulb will be fine for live rock. And go ahead and add the rock it will make your tank cycle MUCH faster.

You need to look for Southdown/yard right/tropical play sand. They are all the same thing. I have been looking for awhile and cannot find any in my area. Which sucks.

You can use a canister or a HOB filter. However many people will recommend a skimmer and/or powerheads. I have been running HOB on all my tanks with good results so far. But if you get around 1.5-2lbs or LR per gallon you could just run a powerhead.

I have only used marineland bio-wheel, emporer filters, and aquaclear filters. The normal bio-wheels are noisey. Lots of water splashing. The emporers do not do this. And aquaclears are silent. I have a aquaclear running in my room. And I cannot stand to sleep with any noise. I also have a bio-wheel in there but it is a little tiny one with no wheel in it. It is quiet to.

Hope this helps.
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Old 04-07-2005, 12:51 AM   #42
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You do not need special lightening for LR. If you have corals or anemones or something then you would need more light. But a NO flourescent bulb will be fine for live rock. And go ahead and add the rock it will make your tank cycle MUCH faster. The proper calcium levels will make rock really look good. But lighting isn't a huge issue with rock only.

You need to look for Southdown/yard right/tropical play sand. They are all the same thing. I have been looking for awhile and cannot find any in my area. Which sucks.

You can use a canister or a HOB filter. However many people will recommend a skimmer and/or powerheads. I have been running HOB on all my tanks with good results so far. But if you get around 1.5-2lbs or LR per gallon you could just run a powerhead.

I have only used marineland bio-wheel, emporer filters, and aquaclear filters. The normal bio-wheels are noisey. Lots of water splashing. The emporers do not do this. And aquaclears are silent. I have a aquaclear running in my room. And I cannot stand to sleep with any noise. I also have a bio-wheel in there but it is a little tiny one with no wheel in it. It is quiet to.

Hope this helps.
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Old 04-07-2005, 01:03 AM   #43
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thanks ar15, good lookin out.. someone else reccomended the emporer to me, the 400 version. But i went to petsmart and they had a sale on the canister, so i had to question it myself, because with a cansiter wont i have to just deal with the 2 tubes? DOes the emperor hob take up that much space? For at least 1 year i plan to run fish only, maybe 20to25# of LR.

ill look for that sand tomm. and post what we have here.
do i need a powerhead if i am only going to have fish only first 6months?

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Old 04-07-2005, 01:18 AM   #44
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Leave off the filter, get the 1.5-2# of rock (70-80% base/30-20% Keys from LR.com) Throw enough power heads in the tank for 10-20x your tank volume in turn over (closer to 10 is probably fine with FOWLR). You're done.

You don't need super de duper lighting nor skimmer if you're not going to add corals or anemones (leave this out for 6mo to a year no matter). I don't have a filter per se. I have a wet/dry with almost no bio balls and a little filter floss but my LR is my major source of filtration. I've added a fuge to keep my trates in check for my corals sake but the fish would have been just fine with my trates at 25.

The hardest thing to accept is that you don't need to waste money on a filter. I know. But try to believe! LOL!

AR15 had it with the play sand descriptions.
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Old 04-07-2005, 01:27 AM   #45
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thansk for the info tonight as always. continuing to be schooled on SW setup.
so what is the purpose of powerheads? are they live wave makes in that they add underwater motion or stream of water shooting to other side of tank underwater?

so base rock is not the same as keys rock from liverock.com? can i just start out with 25# of keys rock and not have base?

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Old 04-07-2005, 01:34 AM   #46
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The base rock will begin to turn live during the cycling process and the keys rock will seed it and make it live faster. The whole package gets you to the 1.5-2# per gallon. That's really the goal of the quest. That's what enables you to run without a filter. You really want 75-100# total of rock. The 80/20 rule is just so that you can save a few bucks getting setup. If you had a million dollars you'd get 100% lr.com rock

The powerheads stir the water. Stagnant water is prone to algae growth. You want all of the water moving all of the time so that cyano (evil) and hair algae (near to impossible to get rid of) can not take hold of your system.
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Old 04-07-2005, 01:50 AM   #47
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is 75# goin to fit in 55gal tank and still give me room for 2 clowns n 1 yt, and a blenny(spelling)?
i would rather have several stones spread acros tank n stacked 2 or 3 high..then 1 large 1 that obsects the tank.

do i have to have a QT tank for a 55gal set up?

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Old 04-07-2005, 10:55 AM   #48
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You should have room for that stuff. That is a lot of rock but the fish won't mind.

I told you someone would chime in and say not to use filters. You can. Just depends on your setup. If you don't plan on getting 1.5-2lbs of rock per gallon anytime soon I would use a filter of some kind. Maybe put some live rock rubble or something in it also. That would help with bacteria growth.

You do not have to have a QT tank per say but it is a good idea. That way you can monitor new fish for awhile to make sure they are healthy. A lot of people QT their LR also. Sometimes rock with a lot of die off (organisms inside it dieing during shipping) will cause your tank to go through a mini cycle. Which is fine if you don't have any livestock inside your tank, but with fish I would QT it just in case.

If you open up the box of rock and it smells dead. Then I would QT the rock or at least add it before fish. Once water perimeters get good again you can add fish. If you open the box and the rock smells like the ocean you are good to go. Most people say there is very little die off from liverocks.com.
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I am in Nashville and Aquatic Critter is my LFS. I quit mixing my own water 2-3 yrs ago as they sell RO saltwater as cheap as you can mix your own IMO. They are very good to work with. I started with a 55-gal with a HOB filter and a skimmer and it was great till I just had to have the Oceanic 110 I have now. The diffrence in cost between the two is much greater than the difference in size! If you would like I can meet with you at the store maybe if would like to discuss some things face to face.
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I actually still plan on having the HOB filter, since i dont really want that much live rock as first due to cash restrictions. Same thing about having a QT tank. But once i move, ill determine amount of room for all this withing my stand.

I went looking today, rena filstar XP3 ,canister, 350gph for $179 is that a good price?

or should i stick with the emperor filter system,hob, 400gph,$75 ? Please let me know of yalls choice on this. tryin to run it with 55gal,sw, ls, minimual live rock.

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