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Old 05-06-2013, 09:22 AM   #1
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Need help. Things are getting out of hand!!!

I recently posted a thread regarding fish dying and they were dropping like flies. I lost about 8 wreckfish or anthias and 3 different tangs. It all started when I added the powder blue and she got ich so bad and spread it onto the other fish. Strangely the anthias didn't show any sign of ich neither did the copperband butterfly. We went over how I added too many fish too soon which I fully understand now and know I made a mistake by doing so.

I also squired some free live rock which had all sorts of growth on it and I'm convinced this helped wipe out over half my population of fish.

The 2 clowns I've had for a long time now have very bad ich and so does my regal tang. The tang has had it in the past however only mild cases and fought it off everytime. I've just returned home today to find a dead cleaner shrimp and I haven't seen the copperband in a couple of days either.

I'm planning on a freshwater dip for the clowns and maybe the tang. Currently setting up the water.

I did a 25% water change on Saturday.

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Nitrite 0
Ammonia 0
Salinity 1.026
Phosphate 0.36
Nitrate 7-9

I want to treat all the fish for white spot however I'm concerned if I set up a new tank and have to wait for it to cycle I may loose the fish. Is there a quicker way of QT'ING the fish and starting the treatment? Copper or hypo?
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:22 AM   #2
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I think the best you can do is take some established rock from you display (if so, never put it back in the DT) or filter Media. You will need to test and perform regular water changes anyway but some old stuff in there with some bb will help. What to you think you'll do? Copper or hypo?
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:22 PM   #3
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It does not need to cycle, but you've got to watch parameters and be ready for frequent water changes. Adding something from your DT will help since it should have some BB in/on it.

I'd strongly encourage leaving the DT fallow for several weeks (6 is ideal) so that all of the Ich dies off in there from lack of a fish to host it. Hopefully the remaining fish pull through and go back into a clean tank and this is the last you have to deal with Ich.

I think hypo is better, but you want to use a refractometer so that you are sure your readings are correct. Copper works, may be a little easier, but its basically a poison to fish, so I think it stresses them more.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:30 PM   #4
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I think I'm going to try hypo then. These fish have been through a lot so I'd be surprised if they die.

Ive just managed to pick up a 3 foot aquarium with a nice hood (not that it matters) and a decent eheim filter. I have all the media to set it up straight away and I also have about 15 kilos of live rock I can use to cycle the filter.

How long should I leave it before adding the fish and starting the treatment if the filter is cycling. My plan is to use this tank for every new fish I buy going forward. Ie learnt the hard way! I will be removing the live rock once the filter is cycled.
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If your fish are looking really bad, I would get them going now. Make sure you read up on how to do hypo. By the time you are done with treatment and fallow DT, the QT will likely be cycled. QTing new additions moving forward is wise. Ideally, you catch any nasties before adding them into your DT and that tank stays free of disease/parasites.

Many of us have learned the hard way. Me being one of them.
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Old 05-06-2013, 02:05 PM   #6
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Ok Todd I'm happy to go ahead with it although they're not too bad I gave the 2 clowns and the tang a fresh water dip and they're looking much better.

If I transfer them across straight away should I still cycle the filter and use that going forward? I'm guessing twice daily water tests and changes as needed?
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This is how it's looking so far? the rock is spare and could either go in my sump or sell it. I've just put it in though to cycle the filter.
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no live rock or sand in qt tank just a power head and some places for the fish to hide, cleaner shrimp are not effected by ich they can carry it but it will not reproduce on them they need a fish host, i have tryed hypo and it did nothing for my fish i have tryed a couple reef safe ich med and they didnt work, i would go copper treatment in qt tank asap and leave dt fallow for 6 weeks, you will have to do water changes on qt tank every couple days
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The live rock is only to seed the filter. It's a brand new setup pretty much so what I'm trying to get my head around is the filtration part of it
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