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Old 11-14-2009, 08:43 AM   #11
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Yes as KURT said you dont want to do both. It`s either or.
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Old 11-14-2009, 09:26 AM   #12
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It sounds like you introduced the fish directly into the hypo environment without bringing it down over time? I'd keep a close watch. With that environment shock and the copper.. What's your hypo sg at?
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Capt, we drip lined them for about an hour and a half to aclimate them to the QT, hypo is at 1.014, they seemed to handle the transition well but our 3 sickest fish did die. Our puffer was hanging on in the main tank for 3 days, but finally went after being in the QT 2 days. Our Blue hippo was our sickest one and went south the next day, we finally pulled her out when we tested and got an ammonia spike at 1.0, the Coral beauty was covered in ich and something else that was attackign its eyes, that one died first. Again that one was fine - even better than the blue hippo the first day. The puffer died 3rd. Still we have a sail fin, a silver and blue angel, 2 clowns, and a blue damsel. They all seem to be doing ok, but no one really is eating well. Any suggestions?
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Old 11-15-2009, 05:50 PM   #14
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IF your fish are still on a downward spiral I would do the following: Since the fish are in qt already, which they should have been from the start *playfully scolding you* XD keep up the hyposalinity treatment, but nix the copper. In a separate vessel, I prefer a 5g bucket, make a copper bath solution and dip the remaining fish. I would drain and scrub the tank, refilling with fresh sw at the appropriate salinity current to your current readings.

To me it just sounds as if your fish or on their deathbed, but perhaps I am reading your words differently than intended. The above solution is intended to hit the ich hard and fast...if your fish cannot survive the dip, they more than likely wouldn't have survived anyways. As far as not eating, copper and many other medications have this effect so try live brine shrimp for now...
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Thanks for the scolding "dad"...lol. I could have used that awhile ago...

The remaining fist really seem to be doing ok...of course the damsel is the hardiest and we expect him to sail through this. The clowns are also doing fabulous. The Sail fin and the angel also look great at this time. The water does look a bit cloudy and had to treat for amonia, but the rest of the fist have no signs of ich. We are planning to keep them in QT for 6 weeks. We will do a 14 gallon water change every week starting tomorrow. I won't be replacing the copper but will keep the hyposalinity....does this sound ok? These fish have been so stressed that I would hate to put them in a tank with such fresh salt. I figure that each week would bring the copper down about 25%, but we also did a quick 7 gallon change without adding copper. So it is under the .2 that we were told to do. I was not told to get a copper test kit, so I will get one tomorrow...hmmm gonna need a second job here to keep up with my fish..lol. How do I clear the water in the QT, we have 2 sponge filter bubblers and an aquaclear 50 filter on the back minus the carbon.
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If they are seemingly on the mend then, as you said, either keep the hypo. treatment or continue copper and I would perform 50% water changes daily or at least every other day. If you add carbon it will help reduce the copper content along with a poly-filter if you prefer the hypo. route.
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Thanks for your help! Will start the water changes tomorrow...we buy the salt from our LFS. Have a poly filter going on the back, will add the carbon portion to it. I am hoping the water changes will help with the cloudy appearance to the water...you have been a huge help!!
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Hey Inn...I was looking at my main tank today and saw something growing on the back of my live rock...it looks like a green see through cluster of ob long eggs, maybe 4mm - 6mm long...any ideas?
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Old 11-15-2009, 08:21 PM   #19
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Yes, that is a form of Valonia sp., or bubble algae. They can be quite beautiful, but tend to be a menace if allowed to overgrow a tank. You can siphon them out during a water change or if you have to dislodge them, make sure you have a siphon over the area at the same time since "bursting their bubble" usually just causes more to form down the road.
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